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Gates is trying to help Monsanto get a strangle hold on farming in Africa. Monsanto.

by fartcannon 5y ago

jimbob45 5y ago
Do you have a source on that? I would think that would be spammed in every reddit/HN/lobsters thread if that were true.
- fartcannon 5y ago
  https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matters/2010/sep/29/gates-foundation-gm-monsanto https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matte... For starters. How about this? "Gates opposed waiving some provisions of the World Trade Organization’s Agreement on Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights, or TRIPS. A waiver would allow member nations to stop enforcing a set of COVID-19-related patents for the duration of the pandemic so that low- and middle-income countries can produce or import generic versions of vaccines. Gates met with U.S. Trade Representative Katherine Tai last week to make the case for protecting these patents..." https://www.devex.com/news/gates-foundation-reverses-course-on-covid-19-vaccine-patents-99810 https://www.devex.com/news/gates-foundation-reverses-course-... https://www.salon.com/2021/04/26/bill-gates-says-no-to-sharing-vaccine-formulas-with-global-poor-to-end-pandemic_partner/ https://www.salon.com/2021/04/26/bill-gates-says-no-to-shari... He would rather poor people die than let IP rules be weakened, even for a a little while. The reason you don't hear about it is because he is one of the wealthiest men in the world and he has a lot of power/influence. All that money buys really good PR. I mean the guy strengthened his friendship with Jeffry Epstein AFTER he was released from jail for being convicted of procuring a child for prostitution.
  - rualca 5y ago
    Are you really trying to present a Guardian article with a straight face? This is an example of the intellectual honesty that is presented in this sort of source: > Who knows what this corporate-speak really means, but in all probability it heralds the big time introduction of GM soya in southern Africa. And their smokin gun? An insignificant investment of 20M dollars from the Gates Foundation on Cargill. If you really intend to sell your conspiracy theories as something somewhat credible, you should start by addressing the sources you pick to base your wild claims on.
    - fartcannon 5y ago
      Yes.
legitster 5y ago
There's so much hyperbole crammed into one statement that it's hard to provide much of a serious response. Where would I start? How much is Bill Gates actually involved? Why is Monsanto so bad? What is the stranglehold? Are Africans not allowed their own agency here?
- fartcannon 5y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_saving#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_saving#United_States also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto#Legal_affairs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto#Legal_affairs There's so much! Enjoy the read.
  - passivate 5y ago
    You made a claim and then simply dumped links leaving the reader to connect the dots. There is nothing in those links even close to what you were claiming. This is simply not a good way to engage in a discussion. $.02
    - fartcannon 5y ago
      Monsanto's villainous behaviour is well defined in those direct links. Bill's choice to work with them and the reasons that might be an issue are left as an exercise to the reader.
      - rualca 5y ago
        Sorry, you are not making any point or any sense. I understand you have an axe to grind, but in the very least you should be able to present any case whatsoever to defend your position based on tangible facts and real-world evidence. If you have neither of that to present and feel compelled to hand-waive your way out of answering simple questions them that should be enough to make you reconsider what you are really doing and what problems you need to address.
        5y ago

Gates is trying to help Monsanto get a strangle hold on farming in Africa. Monsanto.

jimbob45 5y ago

Do you have a source on that? I would think that would be spammed in every reddit/HN/lobsters thread if that were true.

fartcannon 5y ago
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matters/2010/sep/29/gates-foundation-gm-monsanto https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matte... For starters. How about this? "Gates opposed waiving some provisions of the World Trade Organization’s Agreement on Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights, or TRIPS. A waiver would allow member nations to stop enforcing a set of COVID-19-related patents for the duration of the pandemic so that low- and middle-income countries can produce or import generic versions of vaccines. Gates met with U.S. Trade Representative Katherine Tai last week to make the case for protecting these patents..." https://www.devex.com/news/gates-foundation-reverses-course-on-covid-19-vaccine-patents-99810 https://www.devex.com/news/gates-foundation-reverses-course-... https://www.salon.com/2021/04/26/bill-gates-says-no-to-sharing-vaccine-formulas-with-global-poor-to-end-pandemic_partner/ https://www.salon.com/2021/04/26/bill-gates-says-no-to-shari... He would rather poor people die than let IP rules be weakened, even for a a little while. The reason you don't hear about it is because he is one of the wealthiest men in the world and he has a lot of power/influence. All that money buys really good PR. I mean the guy strengthened his friendship with Jeffry Epstein AFTER he was released from jail for being convicted of procuring a child for prostitution.
- rualca 5y ago
  Are you really trying to present a Guardian article with a straight face? This is an example of the intellectual honesty that is presented in this sort of source: > Who knows what this corporate-speak really means, but in all probability it heralds the big time introduction of GM soya in southern Africa. And their smokin gun? An insignificant investment of 20M dollars from the Gates Foundation on Cargill. If you really intend to sell your conspiracy theories as something somewhat credible, you should start by addressing the sources you pick to base your wild claims on.
  - fartcannon 5y ago
    Yes.

legitster 5y ago

There's so much hyperbole crammed into one statement that it's hard to provide much of a serious response. Where would I start? How much is Bill Gates actually involved? Why is Monsanto so bad? What is the stranglehold? Are Africans not allowed their own agency here?

fartcannon 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_saving#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_saving#United_States also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto#Legal_affairs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto#Legal_affairs There's so much! Enjoy the read.
- passivate 5y ago
  You made a claim and then simply dumped links leaving the reader to connect the dots. There is nothing in those links even close to what you were claiming. This is simply not a good way to engage in a discussion. $.02
  - fartcannon 5y ago
    Monsanto's villainous behaviour is well defined in those direct links. Bill's choice to work with them and the reasons that might be an issue are left as an exercise to the reader.
    - rualca 5y ago
      Sorry, you are not making any point or any sense. I understand you have an axe to grind, but in the very least you should be able to present any case whatsoever to defend your position based on tangible facts and real-world evidence. If you have neither of that to present and feel compelled to hand-waive your way out of answering simple questions them that should be enough to make you reconsider what you are really doing and what problems you need to address.
      - 5y ago