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“World class operator” while employees pee in bottles on the warehouse floor to meet quotas. That’s not a world class operator, that’s a world class tyrant.

gccs 5y ago
People act like peeing in bottles is so bad. I really don't get it. Have you never peed in a bottle? Like they have access to toilets for #2 which is great. Ask anyone doing carpet cleaning or another home based trade. Where do you think they pee and poo? They dont do it in the clients home. They go in a bottle or into a bucket in the back of their van.
- kennywinker 5y ago
  I’m focusing on peeing in a bottle because I think it’s particularly dehumanizing and humiliating part of amazon’s horrible labour practices. And for the record, if you’re doing a job in my house, you can use my toilet. Whatever social stigmas there are around contractors and cleaners using the house toilet - those are the same classist and toxic forces that let people justify dehumanizing work.
- munificent 5y ago
  > Ask anyone doing carpet cleaning or another home based trade. Where do you think they pee and poo? Any time I have contractors working at my house, they use my bathroom like a human being. What dystopian hellhole are you advocating for here?
  - jmkni 5y ago
    I think (and hope) OP was being sarcastic
timcambrant 5y ago
Depends on who you ask, I guess. A large portion of our class has certainly moved to idolizing the owner/leader, rather than cheering for the laborer. It’s going to get worse before it gets better.
- 0xdeadb00f 5y ago
  "It's going to get worse before it gets better" Things seem to be just getting worse and worse. When does it get better, huh? I'm still waiting.
  - timcambrant 5y ago
    Well, again that depends on your political stance. Some argue for reform, others for revolution, and yet others argue for some type of technological progress that could "solve things." I think history shows that being passive seldom gives you any rewards, when looking at people grouped by ethnicity, class, gender, etc. No matter what you think of the worker's movements, they did produce unions that did bring huge benefits like vacation, paid parental leave, etc. Especially in Europe. This is an example of being "active" as a group towards another group, and then reaping some benefits from that. I think we have seen a huge decline in activity from workers as a group, and an equal push of activity from big companies. Couple that with hugely increased globalization etc, and you soon get large factories where people piss in jugs while hoping to not get caught emptying their bladder without registering for taking a break, and it is going to get worse until some group actively decides to do something about this.

gccs 5y ago

People act like peeing in bottles is so bad. I really don't get it. Have you never peed in a bottle? Like they have access to toilets for #2 which is great. Ask anyone doing carpet cleaning or another home based trade. Where do you think they pee and poo? They dont do it in the clients home. They go in a bottle or into a bucket in the back of their van.

kennywinker 5y ago
I’m focusing on peeing in a bottle because I think it’s particularly dehumanizing and humiliating part of amazon’s horrible labour practices. And for the record, if you’re doing a job in my house, you can use my toilet. Whatever social stigmas there are around contractors and cleaners using the house toilet - those are the same classist and toxic forces that let people justify dehumanizing work.
munificent 5y ago
> Ask anyone doing carpet cleaning or another home based trade. Where do you think they pee and poo? Any time I have contractors working at my house, they use my bathroom like a human being. What dystopian hellhole are you advocating for here?
- jmkni 5y ago
  I think (and hope) OP was being sarcastic

timcambrant 5y ago

Depends on who you ask, I guess. A large portion of our class has certainly moved to idolizing the owner/leader, rather than cheering for the laborer. It’s going to get worse before it gets better.

0xdeadb00f 5y ago
"It's going to get worse before it gets better" Things seem to be just getting worse and worse. When does it get better, huh? I'm still waiting.
- timcambrant 5y ago
  Well, again that depends on your political stance. Some argue for reform, others for revolution, and yet others argue for some type of technological progress that could "solve things." I think history shows that being passive seldom gives you any rewards, when looking at people grouped by ethnicity, class, gender, etc. No matter what you think of the worker's movements, they did produce unions that did bring huge benefits like vacation, paid parental leave, etc. Especially in Europe. This is an example of being "active" as a group towards another group, and then reaping some benefits from that. I think we have seen a huge decline in activity from workers as a group, and an equal push of activity from big companies. Couple that with hugely increased globalization etc, and you soon get large factories where people piss in jugs while hoping to not get caught emptying their bladder without registering for taking a break, and it is going to get worse until some group actively decides to do something about this.