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It really isn't that hard. All protein on the planet comes from plants and photosynthesis. Dietary supplemental vitamins are needed on both a vegan and non-vega

It really isn't that hard. All protein on the planet comes from plants and photosynthesis. Dietary supplemental vitamins are needed on both a vegan and non-vegan diet. Human teeth cannot eat raw animal skin/meet, they don't cut it. Watch "The Game Changers". Read the book Eat to Live. It is evidence based, written by an M.D. and has nearly 1,000 references/studies. I've been doing the ETL lifestyle now for 16 years now, and feel great on it!

wyager 5y ago
> It really isn't that hard Then why is almost every vegan so malnourished? > It is evidence based I doubt it. Nutrition “science” right now has abysmally low evidentiary standards. We don’t have a scientific (i.e. experimental) basis for making strong low-level nutritional predictions beyond “if you don’t get any of this you will die eventually”. Basically the only thing you can do right now is make sweeping observations (“what is the apparent health of populations on this diet?”) and a-priori reasoning (“what is my prior on the evolutionary optimization criteria affecting my metabolic system?”). > I've been doing the ETL lifestyle now for 16 years now, and feel great on it! I’ve been eating keto/carnivore for two years now and I feel great (so not looking to improve on that front). I also don’t have any health problems associated with nutritional deficiency (in fact I am in perfect health, and I wasn’t when I ate the S.A.D.), and I don’t have to put in any special effort to maintain that state of affairs.
- ElijahLynn 5y ago
  They aren't. Do you look at all the obese people and say, man, that non-vegan diet you are on looks really malnourishing?
  - wyager 5y ago
    > Watch The Game Changers and read Eat to Live. The Game Changers was manifestly stupid propaganda. If you fell for it, this is a really bad sign wrt your ability to filter out dietary-pseudoscientific nonsense. > Do you look at all the obese people and say, man, that non-vegan diet you are on looks really malnourishing The average obese American is on a diet much closer to a vegan diet than a meat-based diet. They get most of their calories from bread, rice, peanut oil, soy products, corn syrup, canola oil, etc. etc.
    - ElijahLynn 5y ago
      > The Game Changers was manifestly stupid propaganda. If you fell for it, this is a really bad sign wrt your ability to filter out dietary-pseudoscientific nonsense. How is watching olympic athletes, proving they are getting even better, propaganda? I feel like you didn't even watch the film.
    - ElijahLynn 5y ago
      > The average obese American is on a diet much closer to a vegan diet than a meat-based diet. They get most of their calories from bread, rice, peanut oil, soy products, corn syrup, canola oil, etc. etc. And meat, cheese and eggs.
      - wyager 5y ago
        The average American gets the overwhelming majority of their calories from vegan items. https://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2016/december/a-look-at-calorie-sources-in-the-american-diet https://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2016/december/a-look-at...
- ElijahLynn 5y ago
  Watch The Game Changers and read Eat to Live.
- sweetheart 5y ago
  Why do you believe that almost every vegan is malnourished? How do you know who is vegan, and how do you know who is malnourished? Are you basing this off of anecdotes you've read of people eating plant-based and then feeling unhealthy? If so, that's not very reliable info. On the other hand, here is every large nutrition institute around the world agreeing that veganism can be totally healthy for all stages of life: https://youaretheirvoice.com/pages/the-clear-consensus https://youaretheirvoice.com/pages/the-clear-consensus
  - wyager 5y ago
    > How do you know who is vegan They’ll usually tell you pretty quickly. > here is every large nutrition institute around the world Why would you ever trust a “large nutrition institute”? Who is the kind of person who would come to power at a place like that? Certainly not someone who is dispassionately interested in promoting human health. It’s mostly vegans, seventh day adventists, and other dietary-religious groups. When has a “large nutrition institute” ever released dietary advice that stood the test of time?
    - ElijahLynn 5y ago
      Most vegans I know do not tell anyone. The number of closet, covert vegans is significantly higher than the overt, "preachy" vegans.
      - wyager 5y ago
        If you go to a restaurant or eat with them in any context it becomes obvious very quickly.
        ssijak 5y ago
        Read again what you just said..
    - sweetheart 5y ago
      If you're saying they are unreliable as source, the onus is on you to say why. You just posed some questions without actually stating anything, made an assumption with no evidence ("Certainly not someone who is dispassionately interested in promoting human health", "It’s mostly vegans, seventh day adventists, and other dietary-religious groups.") So, do you actually have any sources on why we shouldn't trust them?

wyager 5y ago

> It really isn't that hard Then why is almost every vegan so malnourished? > It is evidence based I doubt it. Nutrition “science” right now has abysmally low evidentiary standards. We don’t have a scientific (i.e. experimental) basis for making strong low-level nutritional predictions beyond “if you don’t get any of this you will die eventually”. Basically the only thing you can do right now is make sweeping observations (“what is the apparent health of populations on this diet?”) and a-priori reasoning (“what is my prior on the evolutionary optimization criteria affecting my metabolic system?”). > I've been doing the ETL lifestyle now for 16 years now, and feel great on it! I’ve been eating keto/carnivore for two years now and I feel great (so not looking to improve on that front). I also don’t have any health problems associated with nutritional deficiency (in fact I am in perfect health, and I wasn’t when I ate the S.A.D.), and I don’t have to put in any special effort to maintain that state of affairs.

ElijahLynn 5y ago
They aren't. Do you look at all the obese people and say, man, that non-vegan diet you are on looks really malnourishing?
- wyager 5y ago
  > Watch The Game Changers and read Eat to Live. The Game Changers was manifestly stupid propaganda. If you fell for it, this is a really bad sign wrt your ability to filter out dietary-pseudoscientific nonsense. > Do you look at all the obese people and say, man, that non-vegan diet you are on looks really malnourishing The average obese American is on a diet much closer to a vegan diet than a meat-based diet. They get most of their calories from bread, rice, peanut oil, soy products, corn syrup, canola oil, etc. etc.
  - ElijahLynn 5y ago
    > The Game Changers was manifestly stupid propaganda. If you fell for it, this is a really bad sign wrt your ability to filter out dietary-pseudoscientific nonsense. How is watching olympic athletes, proving they are getting even better, propaganda? I feel like you didn't even watch the film.
  - ElijahLynn 5y ago
    > The average obese American is on a diet much closer to a vegan diet than a meat-based diet. They get most of their calories from bread, rice, peanut oil, soy products, corn syrup, canola oil, etc. etc. And meat, cheese and eggs.
    - wyager 5y ago
      The average American gets the overwhelming majority of their calories from vegan items. https://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2016/december/a-look-at-calorie-sources-in-the-american-diet https://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2016/december/a-look-at...
ElijahLynn 5y ago
Watch The Game Changers and read Eat to Live.
sweetheart 5y ago
Why do you believe that almost every vegan is malnourished? How do you know who is vegan, and how do you know who is malnourished? Are you basing this off of anecdotes you've read of people eating plant-based and then feeling unhealthy? If so, that's not very reliable info. On the other hand, here is every large nutrition institute around the world agreeing that veganism can be totally healthy for all stages of life: https://youaretheirvoice.com/pages/the-clear-consensus https://youaretheirvoice.com/pages/the-clear-consensus
- wyager 5y ago
  > How do you know who is vegan They’ll usually tell you pretty quickly. > here is every large nutrition institute around the world Why would you ever trust a “large nutrition institute”? Who is the kind of person who would come to power at a place like that? Certainly not someone who is dispassionately interested in promoting human health. It’s mostly vegans, seventh day adventists, and other dietary-religious groups. When has a “large nutrition institute” ever released dietary advice that stood the test of time?
  - ElijahLynn 5y ago
    Most vegans I know do not tell anyone. The number of closet, covert vegans is significantly higher than the overt, "preachy" vegans.
    - wyager 5y ago
      If you go to a restaurant or eat with them in any context it becomes obvious very quickly.
      - ssijak 5y ago
        Read again what you just said..
  - sweetheart 5y ago
    If you're saying they are unreliable as source, the onus is on you to say why. You just posed some questions without actually stating anything, made an assumption with no evidence ("Certainly not someone who is dispassionately interested in promoting human health", "It’s mostly vegans, seventh day adventists, and other dietary-religious groups.") So, do you actually have any sources on why we shouldn't trust them?