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They literally fabricated an entire narrative about Russian collusion out of thin air and pushed it for years despite having little to no evidence. I wouldn’t s

by jrsj 5y ago

They literally fabricated an entire narrative about Russian collusion out of thin air and pushed it for years despite having little to no evidence. I wouldn’t say they don’t play dirty just because they’ve lost more than they’ve won since 1980

dane-pgp 5y ago
If you're being consistent, you must believe that the (Republican-led) Senate Intelligence Committee also fabricated a narrative when they wrote in their report: "It is our conclusion, based on the facts detailed in the Committee's Report, that the Russian intelligence services' assault on the integrity of the 2016 U.S. electoral process[,] and Trump and his associates' participation in and enabling of this Russian activity, represents one of the single most grave counterintelligence threats to American national security in the modern era." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Intelligence_Committee_report_on_Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Intelligence_Committee_...
- jrsj 5y ago
  Yeah they pretty much did. The idea that purchasing Facebook ads & social media bots represents “one of the single most grave counterintelligence threats to American national security” is absurd.
  - dane-pgp 5y ago
    Maybe there was more going on than "purchasing Facebook ads & social media bots", as evidenced by the fact that multiple members of Trump's campaign and (separately) Russian intelligence agents were indicted for conspiracy in 2017 and 2018. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections#2017_charges https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_20... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections#2018_indictments https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_20...
    - jrsj 5y ago
      Papadopoulos fucked up and lied to the FBI which by itself is a felony. That’s all he got caught up in, because nothing else he did was illegal. Manafort was arrested for unrelated financial crimes in an attempt to get him to cooperate in their investigation, which apparently led them nowhere. That’s not much of evidence of anything. Then yes there were indictments of some Russian nationals & organizations, most of which were quickly dropped bc it was just political theater. The stuff that wasn’t was really just unsubstantiated allegations that GRU was responsible for hacking the DNC. But now, let’s look at what was done with the Steele Dossier before the election was even over. That was itself based largely on “Russian disinformation” and was used to obtain a FISA warrant and spy on the Trump campaign. It was obviously a garbage document from day 1, but they used it to “legally” spy on their political opponents anyways. That is imo far worse than anything that happened between Trump & Russia. For the record I’m not a Trump supporter either and I am generally left leaning, but it’s clear to me that media & intelligence agencies really cannot be trusted as a result of the blatant lies they have pushed over the last few years. Just because I want universal healthcare etc doesn’t mean I need to repeat “2 + 2 = 5” because some jerk off on TV told me to.
Cycl0ps 5y ago
Not out of thin air. A Russian funded group leaked confidential information after a presidential candidate requested them to at a rally. It's worth investigating.

by jrsj 5y ago

dane-pgp 5y ago

If you're being consistent, you must believe that the (Republican-led) Senate Intelligence Committee also fabricated a narrative when they wrote in their report: "It is our conclusion, based on the facts detailed in the Committee's Report, that the Russian intelligence services' assault on the integrity of the 2016 U.S. electoral process[,] and Trump and his associates' participation in and enabling of this Russian activity, represents one of the single most grave counterintelligence threats to American national security in the modern era." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Intelligence_Committee_report_on_Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Intelligence_Committee_...

jrsj 5y ago
Yeah they pretty much did. The idea that purchasing Facebook ads & social media bots represents “one of the single most grave counterintelligence threats to American national security” is absurd.
- dane-pgp 5y ago
  Maybe there was more going on than "purchasing Facebook ads & social media bots", as evidenced by the fact that multiple members of Trump's campaign and (separately) Russian intelligence agents were indicted for conspiracy in 2017 and 2018. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections#2017_charges https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_20... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections#2018_indictments https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_20...
  - jrsj 5y ago
    Papadopoulos fucked up and lied to the FBI which by itself is a felony. That’s all he got caught up in, because nothing else he did was illegal. Manafort was arrested for unrelated financial crimes in an attempt to get him to cooperate in their investigation, which apparently led them nowhere. That’s not much of evidence of anything. Then yes there were indictments of some Russian nationals & organizations, most of which were quickly dropped bc it was just political theater. The stuff that wasn’t was really just unsubstantiated allegations that GRU was responsible for hacking the DNC. But now, let’s look at what was done with the Steele Dossier before the election was even over. That was itself based largely on “Russian disinformation” and was used to obtain a FISA warrant and spy on the Trump campaign. It was obviously a garbage document from day 1, but they used it to “legally” spy on their political opponents anyways. That is imo far worse than anything that happened between Trump & Russia. For the record I’m not a Trump supporter either and I am generally left leaning, but it’s clear to me that media & intelligence agencies really cannot be trusted as a result of the blatant lies they have pushed over the last few years. Just because I want universal healthcare etc doesn’t mean I need to repeat “2 + 2 = 5” because some jerk off on TV told me to.

Cycl0ps 5y ago

Not out of thin air. A Russian funded group leaked confidential information after a presidential candidate requested them to at a rally. It's worth investigating.