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https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/7-nutrients-you-cant-get-from-plants#2.-Creatine https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/7-nutrients-you-cant-ge... Further,

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/7-nutrients-you-cant-get-from-plants#2.-Creatine https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/7-nutrients-you-cant-ge... Further, many nutrients are far more bio-available than their plant based counterparts. Supplementing for them also isn’t the best substitute. There’s still a demonization of saturated fats despite the heart claims being largely falsified by the sugar industry, and claims of unprocessed meats causing colon cancer being exaggerated substantially (even for processed meats, there’s an increase, but as I recall it’s minimal. Larger chance of lung cancer from city living than colon cancer from occasional processed meat) Each person I believe (key word) has ancestral lineage that describes what foods they can handle best. Hence why we see some people thrive on plant based, and others (like myself) was completely miserable despite taking all the necessary steps. Going the opposite (carnivore) was better in blood markers and we’ll-being for me.

sweetheart 5y ago
That article starts with: "Vegan and vegetarian diets are both very healthy ways of eating. They’ve been linked to multiple health benefits and a lower risk of excess weight, heart disease, and even some types of cancer." Which was an interesting choice for you, I think. Also there are some seriously misleading facts in the article: B12 doesn't from from meat, and meat only has B12 today because animals are supplemented with it. DHA comes from algae, so again, the animals you eat have it as a result of having eaten plants. Creatine, carnosine, and taurine are considered nonessential, in the very article. And with regard to iron: "However, iron deficiency is easy to avoid on a well-planned vegan diet", according to the article. But this is kind of irrelevant, because even if these things _were_ hard to get for vegans and supplements were needed, it still makes veganism a moral imperative, because the small price to pay of taking a pill to save billions of sentient animals every year is a no brainer.
- verall 5y ago
  If people stop eating meat, who is paying for the well being of those billions of animals? I'm not trying to be glib. If humans did not ever eat meat, we would not have ever domesticated cattle, but we did. So if everyone stops eating meat, what happens to all of cattle? We can set them free, but we have bred out most of their ability to compete in nature on their own, we would be leaving most for death. Or we can continue to farm historically domesticated animals benevolently.
  - sweetheart 5y ago
    You're totally right, we can't just set them all free, as it would ruin ecosystems. What we can do is taper our meat consumption down so the animals that are alive now will be killed and used, but we would stop adding new ones to the system. That way we ween off of livestock, their suffering ends, and we avoid an ecological disaster. Farms will have top adapt, because we don't want all the folks in animal agriculture to be out of a job all of a sudden, so it'd take some time. But we can do it, for sure. But asking those kinds of questions is really important, so thank you for posing it.
  - summm 5y ago
    Livestock only lives for some months before slaughtering. Just keep slaughtering while not breeding new ones, and after a few months there will be no livestock left.

sweetheart 5y ago

That article starts with: "Vegan and vegetarian diets are both very healthy ways of eating. They’ve been linked to multiple health benefits and a lower risk of excess weight, heart disease, and even some types of cancer." Which was an interesting choice for you, I think. Also there are some seriously misleading facts in the article: B12 doesn't from from meat, and meat only has B12 today because animals are supplemented with it. DHA comes from algae, so again, the animals you eat have it as a result of having eaten plants. Creatine, carnosine, and taurine are considered nonessential, in the very article. And with regard to iron: "However, iron deficiency is easy to avoid on a well-planned vegan diet", according to the article. But this is kind of irrelevant, because even if these things _were_ hard to get for vegans and supplements were needed, it still makes veganism a moral imperative, because the small price to pay of taking a pill to save billions of sentient animals every year is a no brainer.

verall 5y ago
If people stop eating meat, who is paying for the well being of those billions of animals? I'm not trying to be glib. If humans did not ever eat meat, we would not have ever domesticated cattle, but we did. So if everyone stops eating meat, what happens to all of cattle? We can set them free, but we have bred out most of their ability to compete in nature on their own, we would be leaving most for death. Or we can continue to farm historically domesticated animals benevolently.
- sweetheart 5y ago
  You're totally right, we can't just set them all free, as it would ruin ecosystems. What we can do is taper our meat consumption down so the animals that are alive now will be killed and used, but we would stop adding new ones to the system. That way we ween off of livestock, their suffering ends, and we avoid an ecological disaster. Farms will have top adapt, because we don't want all the folks in animal agriculture to be out of a job all of a sudden, so it'd take some time. But we can do it, for sure. But asking those kinds of questions is really important, so thank you for posing it.
- summm 5y ago
  Livestock only lives for some months before slaughtering. Just keep slaughtering while not breeding new ones, and after a few months there will be no livestock left.