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> You don't know the footprint of batteries for electrical cars. It's certainly no worse than what we use to make the rest of a car. Have you heard of open-pit

> You don't know the footprint of batteries for electrical cars. It's certainly no worse than what we use to make the rest of a car. Have you heard of open-pit mines? I would call the ecological damage of that much higher than a comparable oil drilling site. I have nothing against electric vehicles, or progress away from CO2 emitters. But EVs are a half-backed solution. And EVs might even be net-negative for climate change. What do you think mining equipment runs on? A shit-ton of diesel. The largest cost of a gold mine is energy - diesel. I just think the mental gymnastics people use to justify the smaller ecological impact EVs is ridiculous. Heck, I even own a Tesla.

epistasis 5y ago
I've heard of open pit mines, but they are generally used for existing technology that lithium will replace, for example coal. Lithium tends to be mined with brines. You have a huge bias against EVs, you call them a "half-baked solution" without any qualifications. This is a very subjective judgement that is contradicted by the large number of EVs that are replacing every day usage for people, for commuting and road trips and every aspect of life that requires a vehicle. It's beyond ridiculous to claim that EVs be a net negative for climate change. Even the fossil fuel PR machine isn't so bold to make such ridiculous counterfactua claims. At least the people paid to lie for fossil fuel companies say that it takes until many tens of thousand is miles until an EV makes up is carbon impact, but even that is a bald-faces lie. So I'm short, you are manufacturing ridiculous claims, without any substance, that force people to deal with extra BS and counter your lies in the public sphere. Your comments here are a drain on the discussion, fact free accusations without any merit that you are using to naysay EVs and simultaneously out of the other side of your mouth say that you have nothing against them and even own one. This is classic FUD from the old days. If you are not paid for your efforts, you are underselling yourself. Spreading such misinformation earns many people a paycheck.
- likecarter 5y ago
  You attack me for not providing statistics when your crux is “People buying EV cars must mean they’re good”. Yeah, people buying Gamestop must mean it’s good too. Clown. It’s widely known the environmental impact of EVs. If you want to make a real difference, look elsewhere.
  - epistasis 5y ago
    I attack you for not providing statistics, and merely fabricating FUD. If I am mistaken, please point out the statistic, or any concrete real world damage that is worse than the alternative.

epistasis 5y ago

I've heard of open pit mines, but they are generally used for existing technology that lithium will replace, for example coal. Lithium tends to be mined with brines. You have a huge bias against EVs, you call them a "half-baked solution" without any qualifications. This is a very subjective judgement that is contradicted by the large number of EVs that are replacing every day usage for people, for commuting and road trips and every aspect of life that requires a vehicle. It's beyond ridiculous to claim that EVs be a net negative for climate change. Even the fossil fuel PR machine isn't so bold to make such ridiculous counterfactua claims. At least the people paid to lie for fossil fuel companies say that it takes until many tens of thousand is miles until an EV makes up is carbon impact, but even that is a bald-faces lie. So I'm short, you are manufacturing ridiculous claims, without any substance, that force people to deal with extra BS and counter your lies in the public sphere. Your comments here are a drain on the discussion, fact free accusations without any merit that you are using to naysay EVs and simultaneously out of the other side of your mouth say that you have nothing against them and even own one. This is classic FUD from the old days. If you are not paid for your efforts, you are underselling yourself. Spreading such misinformation earns many people a paycheck.

likecarter 5y ago
You attack me for not providing statistics when your crux is “People buying EV cars must mean they’re good”. Yeah, people buying Gamestop must mean it’s good too. Clown. It’s widely known the environmental impact of EVs. If you want to make a real difference, look elsewhere.
- epistasis 5y ago
  I attack you for not providing statistics, and merely fabricating FUD. If I am mistaken, please point out the statistic, or any concrete real world damage that is worse than the alternative.