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Putin's tactics are postmodern, a philosophy that at it's core (despite right wing propaganda around the terms) is intrinsically anti Marxist. Seeing the ghost

Putin's tactics are postmodern, a philosophy that at it's core (despite right wing propaganda around the terms) is intrinsically anti Marxist. Seeing the ghosts of soviets in every dark corner is something that these very elites we're talking about use to control you and your perceptions of reality.

baybal2 5y ago
> Putin's tactics are postmodern, a philosophy that at it's core (despite right wing propaganda around the terms) is intrinsically anti Marxist. This is what they want the West to believe. They want you to lower your guard, they want you to start working with them, and put thoughts like "hey, maybe those guys are a lesser evil than communists" into your head. They rely on people who they call "useful idiots" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot) in communist lingo to perpetuate, and spread such ideas to the West.
- monocasa 5y ago
  > This is what they want the West to believe. They want you to lower your guard, they want you to start working with them, and put thoughts like "hey, maybe those guys are a lesser evil than communists" into your head. They're doing a terrible job then. They've somehow created an even worse society for Russians as far as I can tell. > They rely on people who they call "useful idiots" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot) in communist lingo to perpetuate, and spread such ideas to the West. You realize that your citation of Useful Idiot literally points out that there's no record of the term actually being used by the soviets, but instead appears to have been first used by the New York Times?
evv555 5y ago
>Putin's tactics are postmodern, a philosophy that at it's core (despite right wing propaganda around the terms) is intrinsically anti Marxist. That's not true. Postmodernism and Frankfurt School of Marxism are synonymous in todays culture. However I agree that late stage postmodernism is almost indistinguishable from Real Politik. End result is the same if your worldview reduces everything to power plays between collectives.
- monocasa 5y ago
  Postmodernism was a reaction to movements like Frankfurt School which is pretty much peak Modern. You can see that in how pretty much the only consistent part of postmodernism is rejecting cognitive structures and abstractions for interpreting society like the example you gave of "reduc[ing] everything to power plays between collectives."
  - evv555 5y ago
    A reaction that builds upon and encapsulates Marxist meta-narratives. Yes in theory postmodernism can point to a diverse set of perspectives but in practice it's homogenous groupthink within a Marxist meta-narrative. End result is people operating in worldviews consisting of moral relativism and variations of "Marxist struggles". It's a worldview that has conflict intrinsic to it.
    - monocasa 5y ago
      Postmodernism is literally founded on the idea of rejecting meta-narratives. Lyotard in fact defines postmodernism as "incredulity to meta-narratives".
      - evv555 5y ago
        Exactly... Postmodernism isn't a logically consistent worldview, almost by definition. It's full of performative contradictions in practice. Hence the need for "safe spaces". It doesn't stand up to logical discourse when its application is confronted.
        monocasa 5y ago
        The rejection of meta-narratives is the underlying theme of postmodernism, and is common throughout it. I would suggest you dig deeper into these concepts, as you seem to have basic misunderstandings about what they mean. And there's nothing wrong with safe spaces. You're not owed "logical discourse" on your terms. People sometimes just want to occasionally not be bothered by every bro who thinks that because they've watched a lot of Jordan Peterson videos that they're suddenly on the pinnacle of philosophical thought. It's tiring in a way orthogonal to the validity of any points being made. Additionally safe spaces aren't typically where instruction is held, and, despite the propaganda, not an effective way to avoid topics completely by design.

baybal2 5y ago

> Putin's tactics are postmodern, a philosophy that at it's core (despite right wing propaganda around the terms) is intrinsically anti Marxist. This is what they want the West to believe. They want you to lower your guard, they want you to start working with them, and put thoughts like "hey, maybe those guys are a lesser evil than communists" into your head. They rely on people who they call "useful idiots" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot) in communist lingo to perpetuate, and spread such ideas to the West.

monocasa 5y ago
> This is what they want the West to believe. They want you to lower your guard, they want you to start working with them, and put thoughts like "hey, maybe those guys are a lesser evil than communists" into your head. They're doing a terrible job then. They've somehow created an even worse society for Russians as far as I can tell. > They rely on people who they call "useful idiots" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot) in communist lingo to perpetuate, and spread such ideas to the West. You realize that your citation of Useful Idiot literally points out that there's no record of the term actually being used by the soviets, but instead appears to have been first used by the New York Times?

evv555 5y ago

>Putin's tactics are postmodern, a philosophy that at it's core (despite right wing propaganda around the terms) is intrinsically anti Marxist. That's not true. Postmodernism and Frankfurt School of Marxism are synonymous in todays culture. However I agree that late stage postmodernism is almost indistinguishable from Real Politik. End result is the same if your worldview reduces everything to power plays between collectives.

monocasa 5y ago
Postmodernism was a reaction to movements like Frankfurt School which is pretty much peak Modern. You can see that in how pretty much the only consistent part of postmodernism is rejecting cognitive structures and abstractions for interpreting society like the example you gave of "reduc[ing] everything to power plays between collectives."
- evv555 5y ago
  A reaction that builds upon and encapsulates Marxist meta-narratives. Yes in theory postmodernism can point to a diverse set of perspectives but in practice it's homogenous groupthink within a Marxist meta-narrative. End result is people operating in worldviews consisting of moral relativism and variations of "Marxist struggles". It's a worldview that has conflict intrinsic to it.
  - monocasa 5y ago
    Postmodernism is literally founded on the idea of rejecting meta-narratives. Lyotard in fact defines postmodernism as "incredulity to meta-narratives".
    - evv555 5y ago
      Exactly... Postmodernism isn't a logically consistent worldview, almost by definition. It's full of performative contradictions in practice. Hence the need for "safe spaces". It doesn't stand up to logical discourse when its application is confronted.
      - monocasa 5y ago
        The rejection of meta-narratives is the underlying theme of postmodernism, and is common throughout it. I would suggest you dig deeper into these concepts, as you seem to have basic misunderstandings about what they mean. And there's nothing wrong with safe spaces. You're not owed "logical discourse" on your terms. People sometimes just want to occasionally not be bothered by every bro who thinks that because they've watched a lot of Jordan Peterson videos that they're suddenly on the pinnacle of philosophical thought. It's tiring in a way orthogonal to the validity of any points being made. Additionally safe spaces aren't typically where instruction is held, and, despite the propaganda, not an effective way to avoid topics completely by design.