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Seize the means of production...? That has an actual meaning and I don't think that's what you're describing. I assure you that hasn't happened in the US yet.
by kylestlb 5y ago
Seize the means of production...? That has an actual meaning and I don't think that's what you're describing. I assure you that hasn't happened in the US yet. The means of production have generally been controlled by the ruling elite since the founding of the nation.
- evv555 5y agoBureaucracies aren't "means or production"? It's the rough equivalent of Lenin capturing railroads and other key infrastructure.
- kylestlb 5y agoAccording to whom? There is a pretty strict definition of means of production, as it was labeled by Marx & Engels, and 'bureaucracy' as a concept isn't it. Adding on to this: there is no rough equivalent to Lenin capturing the railroads in the USA, at all. The bourgeoise have controlled the means of production from 1776 til now. Who owns amazon fulfillment centers? Who owns media companies? Who owns airlines? If it ain't the workers, then nobody has seized the means of production.
- sudosysgen 5y agoBureaucracies are not the means of production. Actually, Marx specifically sees bureaucracy as the polar opposite of the means of production, and a large part of Marxism is that the bureaucracy and other state apparatus molds itself to the owners of the means of production. Railroads and infrastructure are the means of production because they're the material things that are required to produce other material things.