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I was just talking about this last night with my SO. We both agreed that history will look back and see these companies being responsible for the destruction o

I was just talking about this last night with my SO. We both agreed that history will look back and see these companies being responsible for the destruction of humanity. I really hope that's not the case, however seems to be the course we're headed. Especially with the amount of people that _still_ think it's just not real or not a problem due to the years of "PR" (propaganda).

DoingIsLearning 5y ago
The way things are going I suspect we will reach a tipping point where environmental organizations will start to have violent fringes and start to target carbon emitting corporate boards and C-levels. Probably falling into the same mechanics of radicalization/conversion you have seen before with Middle-eastern groups and more recently with far-right groups.
- Schiendelman 5y ago
  Personally, I haven’t seen a better option to cause change.
- beaconstudios 5y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco-terrorism#Groups_accused https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco-terrorism#Groups_accused There are already environmental extremists, they're quite a small fringe so far.
- philips 5y ago
  You might enjoy Ministry of the Future which has a plot line along this type of thought. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ministry_for_the_Future https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ministry_for_the_Future
apocalypstyx 5y ago
> We both agreed that history will look back and see these companies being responsible for the destruction of humanity. History is predicated on at least a rough continuity of records. If the rupture of that continuity of records is bad enough, the concept of history ceases to exist. All we're left with is hunter gathers stumbling across the ruins of ancient 'cities of the gods'. So even the catharsis of imagining certain individuals or groups being vilified for eternity might be denied us.
- SaltyBackendGuy 5y ago
  That's a really good point. As the old saying goes 'History is written by the victors'. If we all lose then we also lose history.
RandomLensman 5y ago
Climate change will not be the "destruction of humanity". In fact, over the next billion years humanity will have to get capable of living with large scale climate changes anyway, so this is good test case on how we deal with it - especially on short-term vs long-term trade-offs. The way investors and financial institutions are salivating over the revenues from transition and sustainable finance, I'd say it will be expensive for most us but it won't lack financing to do things.
iNane9000 5y ago
I think part of the problem is this misconception that the solution to climate change issues require winning a war of hearts and minds. Let’s assume you cannot educate everyone, but instead climate change will be a problem understood and solved by a subset of people, maybe a single person. It may be the case we can never get the majority to care or understand; then what?
throwawaynumber 5y ago
you can add anti nuclear environmental activists to that list of being responsible for the destruction of humanity.

DoingIsLearning 5y ago

The way things are going I suspect we will reach a tipping point where environmental organizations will start to have violent fringes and start to target carbon emitting corporate boards and C-levels. Probably falling into the same mechanics of radicalization/conversion you have seen before with Middle-eastern groups and more recently with far-right groups.

Schiendelman 5y ago
Personally, I haven’t seen a better option to cause change.
beaconstudios 5y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco-terrorism#Groups_accused https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco-terrorism#Groups_accused There are already environmental extremists, they're quite a small fringe so far.
philips 5y ago
You might enjoy Ministry of the Future which has a plot line along this type of thought. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ministry_for_the_Future https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ministry_for_the_Future

apocalypstyx 5y ago

> We both agreed that history will look back and see these companies being responsible for the destruction of humanity. History is predicated on at least a rough continuity of records. If the rupture of that continuity of records is bad enough, the concept of history ceases to exist. All we're left with is hunter gathers stumbling across the ruins of ancient 'cities of the gods'. So even the catharsis of imagining certain individuals or groups being vilified for eternity might be denied us.

SaltyBackendGuy 5y ago
That's a really good point. As the old saying goes 'History is written by the victors'. If we all lose then we also lose history.

RandomLensman 5y ago

Climate change will not be the "destruction of humanity". In fact, over the next billion years humanity will have to get capable of living with large scale climate changes anyway, so this is good test case on how we deal with it - especially on short-term vs long-term trade-offs. The way investors and financial institutions are salivating over the revenues from transition and sustainable finance, I'd say it will be expensive for most us but it won't lack financing to do things.

iNane9000 5y ago

I think part of the problem is this misconception that the solution to climate change issues require winning a war of hearts and minds. Let’s assume you cannot educate everyone, but instead climate change will be a problem understood and solved by a subset of people, maybe a single person. It may be the case we can never get the majority to care or understand; then what?

throwawaynumber 5y ago

you can add anti nuclear environmental activists to that list of being responsible for the destruction of humanity.