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HN really needs to look at these types of headlines - They are written without qualification. 0.001 of Amazon delivery companies shut down 2 out if 2000 deli

HN really needs to look at these types of headlines - They are written without qualification. 0.001 of Amazon delivery companies shut down 2 out if 2000 delivery companies shut down. Are both probably more accurate.

chewmieser 5y ago
It would just be nice to flag it as a misleading headline or something like that. This is from the guidelines: Otherwise please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize. We should use the original title but something like a misleading flair would be helpful.
- MaxBarraclough 5y ago
  > We should use the original title but something like a misleading flair would be helpful. When the mods find a title to be problematic, they go ahead and replace it with something better. This seems better than keeping and flagging problematic titles (the approach used on reddit).
- whoknowswhat11 5y ago
  I like this idea - they are usually pretty obvious and follow a pattern. Usually very broad statements (all workers) with strong language ie "revolt" when reality is different. Air traffic controllers on strike actually meant something back in the day
tech-historian 5y ago
Your assertion is silly. The headline is fine, and this qualifies as news. By your logic, if a US Senator quits, it wouldn't be news because it's only 1% of US Senators?
- whoknowswhat11 5y ago
  Do you not understand the difference between all senators quiting (rare / big news) and one stepping down? You can still report it, just say So and so stepping down.
- DiffEq 5y ago
  I think it is not silly because when I read that headline it made it sound to me as if this was a problem/trend. In reality the story is about 2 companies...which could be a problem if those two companies deliver 50% of the packages but it isn't. But it still might be an article worth writing and reading if the reasons they shut down are matters of justice or some other noble cause or just because Amazon Inc are a bunch of jerks...I think more effort should be made to make the headline fit the truth rather than draw people in under false pretense.
  - barbecue_sauce 5y ago
    The headline is completely accurate. "Amazon Delivery Companies", which does not imply all or many. "Revolt Against Amazon, Shut Down", they revolted against Amazon by shutting down. Headlines do not contain all of the details of a story. That is what an article is for.
  - paulpauper 5y ago
    I felt misled as well . 2 quitting out of 2000 is hardly a revolt.
wtf_is_up 5y ago
Not surprising that this is from vice.com
GoodJokes 5y ago
Dude, get back to your Amazon job. This was a lazy astroturf
snapcaster 5y ago
I don't think this is necessarily true. The headline phrasing and your phrasing both have ability to shift perception. Percentage based phrasing like yours isn't apolitical or free of rhetoric it's just a different framing
- slownews45 5y ago
  At least stick the word "Some amazon deliver companies revolt". It's by no mean all companies.
paulpauper 5y ago
Agree. This is lower than the expected attrition rate. Because it involves Amazon, it is suddenly newsworthy.

chewmieser 5y ago

It would just be nice to flag it as a misleading headline or something like that. This is from the guidelines: Otherwise please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize. We should use the original title but something like a misleading flair would be helpful.

MaxBarraclough 5y ago
> We should use the original title but something like a misleading flair would be helpful. When the mods find a title to be problematic, they go ahead and replace it with something better. This seems better than keeping and flagging problematic titles (the approach used on reddit).
whoknowswhat11 5y ago
I like this idea - they are usually pretty obvious and follow a pattern. Usually very broad statements (all workers) with strong language ie "revolt" when reality is different. Air traffic controllers on strike actually meant something back in the day

tech-historian 5y ago

Your assertion is silly. The headline is fine, and this qualifies as news. By your logic, if a US Senator quits, it wouldn't be news because it's only 1% of US Senators?

whoknowswhat11 5y ago
Do you not understand the difference between all senators quiting (rare / big news) and one stepping down? You can still report it, just say So and so stepping down.
DiffEq 5y ago
I think it is not silly because when I read that headline it made it sound to me as if this was a problem/trend. In reality the story is about 2 companies...which could be a problem if those two companies deliver 50% of the packages but it isn't. But it still might be an article worth writing and reading if the reasons they shut down are matters of justice or some other noble cause or just because Amazon Inc are a bunch of jerks...I think more effort should be made to make the headline fit the truth rather than draw people in under false pretense.
- barbecue_sauce 5y ago
  The headline is completely accurate. "Amazon Delivery Companies", which does not imply all or many. "Revolt Against Amazon, Shut Down", they revolted against Amazon by shutting down. Headlines do not contain all of the details of a story. That is what an article is for.
- paulpauper 5y ago
  I felt misled as well . 2 quitting out of 2000 is hardly a revolt.

wtf_is_up 5y ago

Not surprising that this is from vice.com

GoodJokes 5y ago

Dude, get back to your Amazon job. This was a lazy astroturf

snapcaster 5y ago

I don't think this is necessarily true. The headline phrasing and your phrasing both have ability to shift perception. Percentage based phrasing like yours isn't apolitical or free of rhetoric it's just a different framing

slownews45 5y ago
At least stick the word "Some amazon deliver companies revolt". It's by no mean all companies.

paulpauper 5y ago

Agree. This is lower than the expected attrition rate. Because it involves Amazon, it is suddenly newsworthy.