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>soviet infiltration of the university education system around the world in the 60's and 70's, which within a lifetime has produced multiple generations of nihi

by xnyan 5y ago

>soviet infiltration of the university education system around the world in the 60's and 70's, which within a lifetime has produced multiple generations of nihilistic bureaucrats Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Source please?

ed25519FUUU 5y ago
Interview with Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov who speaks at length about the strategy. https://youtu.be/bX3EZCVj2XA https://youtu.be/bX3EZCVj2XA
- jessaustin 5y ago
  Posting this twice in the same subthread would have been enough. [EDIT:] Thanks for deleting the other references!
  - kylestlb 5y ago
    Pretty sure the user is making sock puppet accounts because I also see this link elsewhere on this thread... wish I had the power to report it.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
    - monocasa 5y ago
      babybal2 is another user, it's just that this video is a rather effective piece of propaganda.
      - ed25519FUUU 5y ago
        OP here. Not sure about other people posting it but it’s a pretty well known interview. What makes it propaganda? Do you have a better source for what the IC communities of other countries are doing to weaken our institutions than a defector from a rival country? What do you think our very own CIA does with the opaque budget we provide it with every year? The same thing. They do the same thing. Don’t turn a blind eye to it. Also the Assange case is near and dear to a lot of people. It’s evil what’s happening to him. And the only reason it continues to happen is because of the silent consent of people who really probably have no idea what our intelligence agencies are doing and because of the cultivated ineptitude at some of our important institutions.
        jessaustin 5y ago
        Yes, CIA does all sorts of horrible things. (On January 6 I remarked that events in Washington reminded me of similar events in Latin American capitals. Bad thoughts!) I'm sure KGB did as well, while it still existed. I'm even prepared to consider that USA college professors have done some bad things. Some professors may even have implied that communism isn't the most terrible invention of humanity. All of that is true without doubt. But why listen to this guy? "Bezmenov" literally translates to "nameless". [0] He claims in this video to be a propagandist with a history of producing propaganda. His specific claims (e.g. the 15%/85% thing) are totally unverifiable. (And by the way, that does the 15%/85% thing imply about CIA, FBI, etc? Whose opinion do they really want to influence?) Listening to him reminds me mostly of the "incubator babies" girl. If you already believe what he's saying, maybe it's reassuring. If you don't, it won't convince you. I still don't understand why this character fascinates you so. I honestly wish that more of my schoolmates had been convinced of the benefits of communism. I wasn't, but I would appreciate a modicum of ideological variety. Clearly the way we're doing things in this country is fucked up, and there is very little public discussion of that fact that doesn't boil down to red-blue distraction. Let's try anything else. Ghosts of the Cold War might imply something not to do, but they aren't the solution to our problems. [0] https://translate.google.com/?sl=sk&tl=en&text=Bezmenov&op=translate https://translate.google.com/?sl=sk&tl=en&text=Bezmenov&op=t...
dukeofdoom 5y ago
That this was attempted is true. To what degree it succeeded is a matter of argument. Directly from a KGB defector lecture on this topic. Yuri Bezmenov - Psychological Warfare Subversion & Control of Western Society Complete Lecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwDdJsdYM3g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwDdJsdYM3g
- monocasa 5y ago
  Defectors nearly always parrot prevailing scare tactics of a society, regardless of the veracity of those statements. You can see that today with North Korean defectors. Is North Korea an awful country with mind boggling human rights violations? Absolutely. Are North Korean defectors heavily incentived to come up with increasingly out there stories, even stories that are contradicted by their previous stories because they're shunned by ROK society at large and have trouble finding other sources of income than selling tales to the media that won't be fact checked? Also true.
- mahogany 5y ago
  Why do you believe this man is who he says he is? Why do you take what he says to be true at face value? I find it amusing how people bring up Soviet propaganda in schools and always link this same video to this one person (who criticizes the inability to assess true information), while simultaneously not questioning whether or not they are consuming propaganda themselves. Wouldn't it be funny if this guy is a CIA plant repeating neocon talking points from the 80s? When I traced back any of the sources that "confirmed" his past, they always dead-ended at his own writing in papers. I'd be interested if you have something else that confirms that this is a "KGB defector".
  - dukeofdoom 5y ago
    He has a wikipedia page, with more information on him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Bezmenov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Bezmenov As someone that grew up in a totalitarian communist government. What Yuri speaks is consistent with my lived experience of how the communists acted to maintain power, in a country they occupied.

by xnyan 5y ago

ed25519FUUU 5y ago

Interview with Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov who speaks at length about the strategy. https://youtu.be/bX3EZCVj2XA https://youtu.be/bX3EZCVj2XA

jessaustin 5y ago
Posting this twice in the same subthread would have been enough. [EDIT:] Thanks for deleting the other references!
- kylestlb 5y ago
  Pretty sure the user is making sock puppet accounts because I also see this link elsewhere on this thread... wish I had the power to report it.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - monocasa 5y ago
    babybal2 is another user, it's just that this video is a rather effective piece of propaganda.
    - ed25519FUUU 5y ago
      OP here. Not sure about other people posting it but it’s a pretty well known interview. What makes it propaganda? Do you have a better source for what the IC communities of other countries are doing to weaken our institutions than a defector from a rival country? What do you think our very own CIA does with the opaque budget we provide it with every year? The same thing. They do the same thing. Don’t turn a blind eye to it. Also the Assange case is near and dear to a lot of people. It’s evil what’s happening to him. And the only reason it continues to happen is because of the silent consent of people who really probably have no idea what our intelligence agencies are doing and because of the cultivated ineptitude at some of our important institutions.
      - jessaustin 5y ago
        Yes, CIA does all sorts of horrible things. (On January 6 I remarked that events in Washington reminded me of similar events in Latin American capitals. Bad thoughts!) I'm sure KGB did as well, while it still existed. I'm even prepared to consider that USA college professors have done some bad things. Some professors may even have implied that communism isn't the most terrible invention of humanity. All of that is true without doubt. But why listen to this guy? "Bezmenov" literally translates to "nameless". [0] He claims in this video to be a propagandist with a history of producing propaganda. His specific claims (e.g. the 15%/85% thing) are totally unverifiable. (And by the way, that does the 15%/85% thing imply about CIA, FBI, etc? Whose opinion do they really want to influence?) Listening to him reminds me mostly of the "incubator babies" girl. If you already believe what he's saying, maybe it's reassuring. If you don't, it won't convince you. I still don't understand why this character fascinates you so. I honestly wish that more of my schoolmates had been convinced of the benefits of communism. I wasn't, but I would appreciate a modicum of ideological variety. Clearly the way we're doing things in this country is fucked up, and there is very little public discussion of that fact that doesn't boil down to red-blue distraction. Let's try anything else. Ghosts of the Cold War might imply something not to do, but they aren't the solution to our problems. [0] https://translate.google.com/?sl=sk&tl=en&text=Bezmenov&op=translate https://translate.google.com/?sl=sk&tl=en&text=Bezmenov&op=t...

dukeofdoom 5y ago

That this was attempted is true. To what degree it succeeded is a matter of argument. Directly from a KGB defector lecture on this topic. Yuri Bezmenov - Psychological Warfare Subversion & Control of Western Society Complete Lecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwDdJsdYM3g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwDdJsdYM3g

monocasa 5y ago
Defectors nearly always parrot prevailing scare tactics of a society, regardless of the veracity of those statements. You can see that today with North Korean defectors. Is North Korea an awful country with mind boggling human rights violations? Absolutely. Are North Korean defectors heavily incentived to come up with increasingly out there stories, even stories that are contradicted by their previous stories because they're shunned by ROK society at large and have trouble finding other sources of income than selling tales to the media that won't be fact checked? Also true.
mahogany 5y ago
Why do you believe this man is who he says he is? Why do you take what he says to be true at face value? I find it amusing how people bring up Soviet propaganda in schools and always link this same video to this one person (who criticizes the inability to assess true information), while simultaneously not questioning whether or not they are consuming propaganda themselves. Wouldn't it be funny if this guy is a CIA plant repeating neocon talking points from the 80s? When I traced back any of the sources that "confirmed" his past, they always dead-ended at his own writing in papers. I'd be interested if you have something else that confirms that this is a "KGB defector".
- dukeofdoom 5y ago
  He has a wikipedia page, with more information on him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Bezmenov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Bezmenov As someone that grew up in a totalitarian communist government. What Yuri speaks is consistent with my lived experience of how the communists acted to maintain power, in a country they occupied.