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The elephant in the room is the ouster of Timnit Gebru. Regardless of who you think was in the wrong there, a lot of people who left did so because they thought

The elephant in the room is the ouster of Timnit Gebru. Regardless of who you think was in the wrong there, a lot of people who left did so because they thought Google was in the wrong, and left in solidarity or maybe even because they thought they might be next for being similarly outspoken.

curiousgal 5y ago
I think it's super hypocritical to be well paid a company while also trash talking them on Twitter. I wouldn't call that being outspoken.
- CydeWeys 5y ago
  My intent with saying "Regardless of who you think was in the wrong there" was precisely NOT to re-litigate the entire saga (that's old and played out here). Regardless of who you think was wrong, it had a big effect on black employees' perceptions of their employer.
  - curiousgal 5y ago
    Not necessarily, you'd probably be surprised that many black employees don't really care about this whole ordeal or affirmative action in general. Which is understandable; if you're confident in your skill set and take pride in your work, the last thing you want to hear is "we hired you for diversity reasons".
  - sidlls 5y ago
    On some black employees' perceptions. This is hard for people new to working and living alongside minorities in America, but these are individuals and not a monolithic group. Identity politics is dangerous because the loudest mouths on the issue are definitely not representative of any whole group. And yet culturally we're demanded to see things their way to an increasing and alarming degree.
    - vmception 5y ago
      One look at Blind app and you get to see just how out of touch tech employees are about people that don't look like them Seems very pervasive to have a heavily distorted view of black people What I most commonly see, on Blind, is people assuming that black people - mostly US citizens their entire lives - have a completely different culture that has to be tolerated, as opposed to a mostly shared American culture Its kind of weird
- joshsyn 5y ago
  exactly lol. They want google to be government controlled now, wtf
vmception 5y ago
It would be super easy for me to not say anything for two years for a million dollars.
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- whoooooo123 5y ago
  Did Gebru get a payout? I missed that part of the story. What are the details?
  - vmception 5y ago
    The point is that people don't need to become corporate martyrs given how brief and highly compensated their stint at big tech companies are It’s discretionary

curiousgal 5y ago

I think it's super hypocritical to be well paid a company while also trash talking them on Twitter. I wouldn't call that being outspoken.

CydeWeys 5y ago
My intent with saying "Regardless of who you think was in the wrong there" was precisely NOT to re-litigate the entire saga (that's old and played out here). Regardless of who you think was wrong, it had a big effect on black employees' perceptions of their employer.
- curiousgal 5y ago
  Not necessarily, you'd probably be surprised that many black employees don't really care about this whole ordeal or affirmative action in general. Which is understandable; if you're confident in your skill set and take pride in your work, the last thing you want to hear is "we hired you for diversity reasons".
- sidlls 5y ago
  On some black employees' perceptions. This is hard for people new to working and living alongside minorities in America, but these are individuals and not a monolithic group. Identity politics is dangerous because the loudest mouths on the issue are definitely not representative of any whole group. And yet culturally we're demanded to see things their way to an increasing and alarming degree.
  - vmception 5y ago
    One look at Blind app and you get to see just how out of touch tech employees are about people that don't look like them Seems very pervasive to have a heavily distorted view of black people What I most commonly see, on Blind, is people assuming that black people - mostly US citizens their entire lives - have a completely different culture that has to be tolerated, as opposed to a mostly shared American culture Its kind of weird
joshsyn 5y ago
exactly lol. They want google to be government controlled now, wtf

vmception 5y ago

It would be super easy for me to not say anything for two years for a million dollars.

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whoooooo123 5y ago
Did Gebru get a payout? I missed that part of the story. What are the details?
- vmception 5y ago
  The point is that people don't need to become corporate martyrs given how brief and highly compensated their stint at big tech companies are It’s discretionary