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Black people are currently less educated as a result of systemic racism than their Asain and white counterparts. That would make achieving 12% leadership partic

Black people are currently less educated as a result of systemic racism than their Asain and white counterparts. That would make achieving 12% leadership particularly difficult, since black people are on average less qualified(on paper, at least) relative to applicants from other races.

vmception 5y ago
it seems the article is wrong and it is much lower % I was surprised by the 7% metric and found it improbable too
ErikVandeWater 5y ago
Asians are proof the power of systemic racism to hold minorities down in this day and age is not very strong.
- vmception 5y ago
  Some specific cultures with Asian heritage in the West. Not intentionally trying to be obtuse, but to support that talking point it is important to recognize that there are other Asian people in the West that are underserved by this overly broad racially prejudiced assumption. There have always been cultures that adapt to certain states of the world. For example, German efficiency was there and irrelevant before the industrial era, and when the world valued efficiency their culture was the beneficiary. In reference to some cultures from Asia operating in the West, they are also benefactors of the family support systems that they are able to maintain, even if there are psychological issues with that model, it is accurate that many are able to achieve social standing in Western society. You are hoping for that to prove the wrong thing, or disprove the validity of other group's experiences as if they are not worth further analysis and support. This doesn't help y/our society.
  - blindmute 5y ago
    Maybe if some culture is not adapted to the state of the world, we should try to fix that culture, and not modify the world around it. Or, at least, just let that culture be maladapted and leave it be. No one was hiring inefficient people during the industrial revolution for diversity, regardless of how inefficient the person's culture seemed to be.
    - vmception 5y ago
      You seem to not be aware that a lot of people are working to fix underperforming cultures for the reasons they are underperforming Tech companies have not been inspired enough to do so, not suggesting it is their role But many organizations interested in the tech industry are
- endisneigh 5y ago
  I'm curious - how did you come to this conclusion?
- truenamenofame 5y ago
  But Asians are being systemically held down by affirmative action and racial quotas. Proof that the power of systemic racism is very real no matter your income or class, or no matter if you're a minority or not. You are not safe as long as the cultural zeitgeist has decided so.
tester34 5y ago
>Black people are currently less educated as a result of systemic racism than their Asain and white counterparts. but why? end exams are standarized and in my opinion fair
- vmception 5y ago
  > end exams are standarized and in my opinion fair there is actually a lot of ongoing discussion about that and there is no resolved consensus on your opinion
  - tester756 5y ago
    and what arguments are that this process is not fair? current approach challenges pure intellectual output, any other way implies bias which current system strongly avoids
    - jedberg 5y ago
      If a standardized test said "what is the Yiddish word for rag?", is that test fair? It asks everyone the same question after all. But I'd bet you find that Jewish people were passing that test at a higher rate than anyone else. Obviously the biases in actual standardized tests are more subtle, but a lot of the question have an inherent cultural bias and assume some basic cultural knowledge in their test takers.
      - tester756 5y ago
        In my country exams are: basic (mandatory): math, country_lang, other_lang advanced level (your choice): cs, math, physics, biology, chemistry, country_lang, other_lang, history, other... I don't think there's wide room for questions like that.
        jedberg 5y ago
        > I don't think there's wide room for questions like that. You'd be surprised. There is ample research showing that even the most simple math and reading comprehension questions have cultural biases.
padastra 5y ago
Sorry, people are downvoting this because it is out of the Overton window of acceptable discourse, and the fact that it happens to be true is irrelevant.

vmception 5y ago

it seems the article is wrong and it is much lower % I was surprised by the 7% metric and found it improbable too

ErikVandeWater 5y ago

Asians are proof the power of systemic racism to hold minorities down in this day and age is not very strong.

vmception 5y ago
Some specific cultures with Asian heritage in the West. Not intentionally trying to be obtuse, but to support that talking point it is important to recognize that there are other Asian people in the West that are underserved by this overly broad racially prejudiced assumption. There have always been cultures that adapt to certain states of the world. For example, German efficiency was there and irrelevant before the industrial era, and when the world valued efficiency their culture was the beneficiary. In reference to some cultures from Asia operating in the West, they are also benefactors of the family support systems that they are able to maintain, even if there are psychological issues with that model, it is accurate that many are able to achieve social standing in Western society. You are hoping for that to prove the wrong thing, or disprove the validity of other group's experiences as if they are not worth further analysis and support. This doesn't help y/our society.
- blindmute 5y ago
  Maybe if some culture is not adapted to the state of the world, we should try to fix that culture, and not modify the world around it. Or, at least, just let that culture be maladapted and leave it be. No one was hiring inefficient people during the industrial revolution for diversity, regardless of how inefficient the person's culture seemed to be.
  - vmception 5y ago
    You seem to not be aware that a lot of people are working to fix underperforming cultures for the reasons they are underperforming Tech companies have not been inspired enough to do so, not suggesting it is their role But many organizations interested in the tech industry are
endisneigh 5y ago
I'm curious - how did you come to this conclusion?
truenamenofame 5y ago
But Asians are being systemically held down by affirmative action and racial quotas. Proof that the power of systemic racism is very real no matter your income or class, or no matter if you're a minority or not. You are not safe as long as the cultural zeitgeist has decided so.

tester34 5y ago

>Black people are currently less educated as a result of systemic racism than their Asain and white counterparts. but why? end exams are standarized and in my opinion fair

vmception 5y ago
> end exams are standarized and in my opinion fair there is actually a lot of ongoing discussion about that and there is no resolved consensus on your opinion
- tester756 5y ago
  and what arguments are that this process is not fair? current approach challenges pure intellectual output, any other way implies bias which current system strongly avoids
  - jedberg 5y ago
    If a standardized test said "what is the Yiddish word for rag?", is that test fair? It asks everyone the same question after all. But I'd bet you find that Jewish people were passing that test at a higher rate than anyone else. Obviously the biases in actual standardized tests are more subtle, but a lot of the question have an inherent cultural bias and assume some basic cultural knowledge in their test takers.
    - tester756 5y ago
      In my country exams are: basic (mandatory): math, country_lang, other_lang advanced level (your choice): cs, math, physics, biology, chemistry, country_lang, other_lang, history, other... I don't think there's wide room for questions like that.
      - jedberg 5y ago
        > I don't think there's wide room for questions like that. You'd be surprised. There is ample research showing that even the most simple math and reading comprehension questions have cultural biases.

padastra 5y ago

Sorry, people are downvoting this because it is out of the Overton window of acceptable discourse, and the fact that it happens to be true is irrelevant.