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> The company nearly doubled the number of Black+ people in U.S. leadership to 7.1% last year It’s cool they’ve been able to find qualified people, taking a lo

> The company nearly doubled the number of Black+ people in U.S. leadership to 7.1% last year It’s cool they’ve been able to find qualified people, taking a long time to fill those roles but very nice they are doing it! They will more adequately address additional markets with this talent gravitational pull. What is the percentage of Black+ in the population? The US census doesn’t have a + section, so we can deduce that it is at least 12% for standard tier Black, but when including the premium tier what percentage is that? It’s nice that it is getting much closer to proportionate representation, it’s not clear how close

sct202 5y ago
Is that a mistake? In the charts on this year's report, the Black Leadership % went from 2.6% to 3.0%. https://diversity.google/annual-report/representation/ https://diversity.google/annual-report/representation/
- vmception 5y ago
  Best I can see is maybe a 7% increase! The article got that very incorrect
l33t2328 5y ago
Black people are currently less educated as a result of systemic racism than their Asain and white counterparts. That would make achieving 12% leadership particularly difficult, since black people are on average less qualified(on paper, at least) relative to applicants from other races.
- vmception 5y ago
  it seems the article is wrong and it is much lower % I was surprised by the 7% metric and found it improbable too
- ErikVandeWater 5y ago
  Asians are proof the power of systemic racism to hold minorities down in this day and age is not very strong.
  - vmception 5y ago
    Some specific cultures with Asian heritage in the West. Not intentionally trying to be obtuse, but to support that talking point it is important to recognize that there are other Asian people in the West that are underserved by this overly broad racially prejudiced assumption. There have always been cultures that adapt to certain states of the world. For example, German efficiency was there and irrelevant before the industrial era, and when the world valued efficiency their culture was the beneficiary. In reference to some cultures from Asia operating in the West, they are also benefactors of the family support systems that they are able to maintain, even if there are psychological issues with that model, it is accurate that many are able to achieve social standing in Western society. You are hoping for that to prove the wrong thing, or disprove the validity of other group's experiences as if they are not worth further analysis and support. This doesn't help y/our society.
    - blindmute 5y ago
      Maybe if some culture is not adapted to the state of the world, we should try to fix that culture, and not modify the world around it. Or, at least, just let that culture be maladapted and leave it be. No one was hiring inefficient people during the industrial revolution for diversity, regardless of how inefficient the person's culture seemed to be.
      - vmception 5y ago
        You seem to not be aware that a lot of people are working to fix underperforming cultures for the reasons they are underperforming Tech companies have not been inspired enough to do so, not suggesting it is their role But many organizations interested in the tech industry are
  - endisneigh 5y ago
- tester34 5y ago
  >Black people are currently less educated as a result of systemic racism than their Asain and white counterparts. but why? end exams are standarized and in my opinion fair
  - vmception 5y ago
    > end exams are standarized and in my opinion fair there is actually a lot of ongoing discussion about that and there is no resolved consensus on your opinion
    - tester756 5y ago
      and what arguments are that this process is not fair? current approach challenges pure intellectual output, any other way implies bias which current system strongly avoids
      - jedberg 5y ago
        If a standardized test said "what is the Yiddish word for rag?", is that test fair? It asks everyone the same question after all. But I'd bet you find that Jewish people were passing that test at a higher rate than anyone else. Obviously the biases in actual standardized tests are more subtle, but a lot of the question have an inherent cultural bias and assume some basic cultural knowledge in their test takers.
        tester756 5y ago
        In my country exams are: basic (mandatory): math, country_lang, other_lang advanced level (your choice): cs, math, physics, biology, chemistry, country_lang, other_lang, history, other... I don't think there's wide room for questions like that.
        jedberg 5y ago
        > I don't think there's wide room for questions like that. You'd be surprised. There is ample research showing that even the most simple math and reading comprehension questions have cultural biases.
- padastra 5y ago
  Sorry, people are downvoting this because it is out of the Overton window of acceptable discourse, and the fact that it happens to be true is irrelevant.
jefftk 5y ago
They're using "Black+" as "all Googlers who identify as Black, plus those who identify as Black and any other race". The census does track people identifying with multiple races. Pew, citing the census, says there are ~46.8M (40.7M + 3.7M + 2.4M) Americans who identify as Black (and possibly as something else as well) so about 14%. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2021/03/25/the-growing-diversity-of-black-america/#:~:text=In%202019%2C%2040.7%20million%2C%20or,and%20Hispanic%2C%20or%20Black%20Hispanic https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2021/03/25/the-gro.... (Disclosure: I work on ads at Google, speaking only for myself)
- vmception 5y ago
  Yes, the census does track multiple, it just wasn’t clear what the + in this context was referring to 14%, thanks

sct202 5y ago

Is that a mistake? In the charts on this year's report, the Black Leadership % went from 2.6% to 3.0%. https://diversity.google/annual-report/representation/ https://diversity.google/annual-report/representation/

vmception 5y ago
Best I can see is maybe a 7% increase! The article got that very incorrect

l33t2328 5y ago

Black people are currently less educated as a result of systemic racism than their Asain and white counterparts. That would make achieving 12% leadership particularly difficult, since black people are on average less qualified(on paper, at least) relative to applicants from other races.

vmception 5y ago
it seems the article is wrong and it is much lower % I was surprised by the 7% metric and found it improbable too
ErikVandeWater 5y ago
Asians are proof the power of systemic racism to hold minorities down in this day and age is not very strong.
- vmception 5y ago
  Some specific cultures with Asian heritage in the West. Not intentionally trying to be obtuse, but to support that talking point it is important to recognize that there are other Asian people in the West that are underserved by this overly broad racially prejudiced assumption. There have always been cultures that adapt to certain states of the world. For example, German efficiency was there and irrelevant before the industrial era, and when the world valued efficiency their culture was the beneficiary. In reference to some cultures from Asia operating in the West, they are also benefactors of the family support systems that they are able to maintain, even if there are psychological issues with that model, it is accurate that many are able to achieve social standing in Western society. You are hoping for that to prove the wrong thing, or disprove the validity of other group's experiences as if they are not worth further analysis and support. This doesn't help y/our society.
  - blindmute 5y ago
    Maybe if some culture is not adapted to the state of the world, we should try to fix that culture, and not modify the world around it. Or, at least, just let that culture be maladapted and leave it be. No one was hiring inefficient people during the industrial revolution for diversity, regardless of how inefficient the person's culture seemed to be.
    - vmception 5y ago
      You seem to not be aware that a lot of people are working to fix underperforming cultures for the reasons they are underperforming Tech companies have not been inspired enough to do so, not suggesting it is their role But many organizations interested in the tech industry are
- endisneigh 5y ago
tester34 5y ago
>Black people are currently less educated as a result of systemic racism than their Asain and white counterparts. but why? end exams are standarized and in my opinion fair
- vmception 5y ago
  > end exams are standarized and in my opinion fair there is actually a lot of ongoing discussion about that and there is no resolved consensus on your opinion
  - tester756 5y ago
    and what arguments are that this process is not fair? current approach challenges pure intellectual output, any other way implies bias which current system strongly avoids
    - jedberg 5y ago
      If a standardized test said "what is the Yiddish word for rag?", is that test fair? It asks everyone the same question after all. But I'd bet you find that Jewish people were passing that test at a higher rate than anyone else. Obviously the biases in actual standardized tests are more subtle, but a lot of the question have an inherent cultural bias and assume some basic cultural knowledge in their test takers.
      - tester756 5y ago
        In my country exams are: basic (mandatory): math, country_lang, other_lang advanced level (your choice): cs, math, physics, biology, chemistry, country_lang, other_lang, history, other... I don't think there's wide room for questions like that.
        jedberg 5y ago
        > I don't think there's wide room for questions like that. You'd be surprised. There is ample research showing that even the most simple math and reading comprehension questions have cultural biases.
padastra 5y ago
Sorry, people are downvoting this because it is out of the Overton window of acceptable discourse, and the fact that it happens to be true is irrelevant.

jefftk 5y ago

They're using "Black+" as "all Googlers who identify as Black, plus those who identify as Black and any other race". The census does track people identifying with multiple races. Pew, citing the census, says there are ~46.8M (40.7M + 3.7M + 2.4M) Americans who identify as Black (and possibly as something else as well) so about 14%. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2021/03/25/the-growing-diversity-of-black-america/#:~:text=In%202019%2C%2040.7%20million%2C%20or,and%20Hispanic%2C%20or%20Black%20Hispanic https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2021/03/25/the-gro.... (Disclosure: I work on ads at Google, speaking only for myself)

vmception 5y ago
Yes, the census does track multiple, it just wasn’t clear what the + in this context was referring to 14%, thanks