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Their $19 (Micro) Plan lists "200 in/day and 20 out/day". My email usage, personally, seems to be in bursts. It stays below 1 or 2 outbound mails on most days,

by akych 5y ago

Their $19 (Micro) Plan lists "200 in/day and 20 out/day". My email usage, personally, seems to be in bursts. It stays below 1 or 2 outbound mails on most days, however on some days (rarely) there'll be threaded conversations with >50 outbound mails. So, I feel like it would be fantastic if the plan had monthly limits instead of daily limit. Or some other sort of limit, say EC2 like, which would allow the user to consume the resources in bursts.

londons_explore 5y ago
"90% of any unused allowance carries over to the next day" is a neat way to allow 10x bursts while keeping allowances understandable.
- barrkel 5y ago
  That is a 1.9x burst, not 10x, right? And that's at best, assuming you got no emails at all the previous day.
  - londons_explore 5y ago
    No, because it can carry over multiple days... So eventually the maximum you'll get is sum 0 to inf [ 0.9^n ] ... Which is 10x
    - barrkel 5y ago
      I read "90% of unused allowance carries over to the next day" as unused allowance carries over exactly 1 day. That is, it's the allowance that carries over, not the carry over. If allowance is fungible like you say, then sure, you're right. My experience of accountants and lawyers is that they don't treat these things as fungible, and are more likely to do something like: Day 1: allowance 200 emails carried over 0 consumed 0 Day 2: allowance 200 carried over 180 consumed 0 Day 3: allowance 200 carried over 180 // 90% of 200 not 380 consumed 50 // consumption taken from allowance first Day 4: allowance 200 carried over 135 // 90% of 150 not 200 or 330 consumed 0 and so on. Maybe it's treated as fungible, but IMO the above is how lawyers and accountants would treat it.
estaseuropano 5y ago
They say it is a soft limit. You'll at most get a warning/request to update but they promise not to block.
- mfsch 5y ago
  As a Migadu customer, that’s not my understanding. From their website: “When reaching incoming messages limits, we will warn you and allow for some tolerance of up to 25% over the plan limit. If even the higher tolerance level gets reached, we will start deferring messages until either the following day or the plan is upgraded. […] When reaching outgoing messages limits, we will warn you and allow for some tolerance of up to 25% over the plan limit. After the tolerance we will start rejecting outgoing messages.”
jacobmischka 5y ago
While $19 yearly is admittedly very cheap, 20 daily outbound emails seems like an absurdly low limit. I can't imagine many sole proprietorships (as they suggest as customers for that tier) would be able to sustain that.
- brewdad 5y ago
  Especially since most email providers count a single email addressed to 10 people as 10 emails. Get into a back and forth discussion with a moderately sized group and you'll hit your limit after only a few messages.
wcerfgba 5y ago
Yes, I was also quite excited until I saw the message limits, it feels very archaic. So far the best email service I've found is Tutanota, who provide a custom domain for €12 / mo if you pay yearly [1], which is the cheapest I've found so far. I also like how my mail is encrypted at rest. The only downside is I have to use their web client which has limited features. [1] https://tutanota.com/pricing https://tutanota.com/pricing

by akych 5y ago

londons_explore 5y ago

"90% of any unused allowance carries over to the next day" is a neat way to allow 10x bursts while keeping allowances understandable.

barrkel 5y ago
That is a 1.9x burst, not 10x, right? And that's at best, assuming you got no emails at all the previous day.
- londons_explore 5y ago
  No, because it can carry over multiple days... So eventually the maximum you'll get is sum 0 to inf [ 0.9^n ] ... Which is 10x
  - barrkel 5y ago
    I read "90% of unused allowance carries over to the next day" as unused allowance carries over exactly 1 day. That is, it's the allowance that carries over, not the carry over. If allowance is fungible like you say, then sure, you're right. My experience of accountants and lawyers is that they don't treat these things as fungible, and are more likely to do something like: Day 1: allowance 200 emails carried over 0 consumed 0 Day 2: allowance 200 carried over 180 consumed 0 Day 3: allowance 200 carried over 180 // 90% of 200 not 380 consumed 50 // consumption taken from allowance first Day 4: allowance 200 carried over 135 // 90% of 150 not 200 or 330 consumed 0 and so on. Maybe it's treated as fungible, but IMO the above is how lawyers and accountants would treat it.

estaseuropano 5y ago

They say it is a soft limit. You'll at most get a warning/request to update but they promise not to block.

mfsch 5y ago
As a Migadu customer, that’s not my understanding. From their website: “When reaching incoming messages limits, we will warn you and allow for some tolerance of up to 25% over the plan limit. If even the higher tolerance level gets reached, we will start deferring messages until either the following day or the plan is upgraded. […] When reaching outgoing messages limits, we will warn you and allow for some tolerance of up to 25% over the plan limit. After the tolerance we will start rejecting outgoing messages.”

jacobmischka 5y ago

While $19 yearly is admittedly very cheap, 20 daily outbound emails seems like an absurdly low limit. I can't imagine many sole proprietorships (as they suggest as customers for that tier) would be able to sustain that.

brewdad 5y ago
Especially since most email providers count a single email addressed to 10 people as 10 emails. Get into a back and forth discussion with a moderately sized group and you'll hit your limit after only a few messages.

wcerfgba 5y ago

Yes, I was also quite excited until I saw the message limits, it feels very archaic. So far the best email service I've found is Tutanota, who provide a custom domain for €12 / mo if you pay yearly [1], which is the cheapest I've found so far. I also like how my mail is encrypted at rest. The only downside is I have to use their web client which has limited features. [1] https://tutanota.com/pricing https://tutanota.com/pricing