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If a child was "bullied" with Alexa once, it's a part of growing up: what doesn't kill us, makes us stronger. And after that case a good parent can explain a c

If a child was "bullied" with Alexa once, it's a part of growing up: what doesn't kill us, makes us stronger. And after that case a good parent can explain a child what Alexa is and role-play that scenario to make a child prepared to deal with it in the future. Children grow up by getting into troubles and learning to deal with them. For that reason, for example, unsafe playgrounds are beneficial for children (google it).

rhn_mk1 5y ago
> For that reason, for example, unsafe playgrounds are beneficial for children (google it). Why won't you google it for the shared benefit of all of us? It's an interesting topic, after all.
- asteroidbelt 5y ago
  There were many article in the media around 2012, I think this article https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3499858/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3499858/ started the discussion. It is short and not a study, but it has statements with links, like this: > Eager and Little describe a risk deprived child as more prone to problems such as obesity, mental health concerns, lack of independence, and a decrease in learning, perception and judgment skills, created when risk is removed from play and restrictions are too high.
  - watwut 5y ago
    The risk there is skinned knee or mild fall. Not being bullying target. None of those structures is actually danherous in meaningfull sense.
    - asteroidbelt 5y ago
      > Not being bullying target. Being bullied once is perfectly safe. It happens to virtually everyone many times during they grow up. > None of those structures is actually danherous in meaningfull sense. A child can fall and break a leg, but otherwise it is safe in meaningful sense.
necovek 5y ago
Good luck teaching a 3-5 year old that when they keep receiving jokes from kids/adults they've just met. This is not a regular bullying situation where the bully really means harm: those giving jokes out are probably just finding it funny that the kid is named like their smart assistant (when it is the other way around, actually). But for kids on the receiving end, it gets old really fast. Kids would learn to deal with it themselves, sure: by not introducing themselves to new people, or by not wanting to go to places where there are people you need to introduce yourself to.
- asteroidbelt 5y ago
  > Good luck teaching a 3-5 year old that when they keep receiving jokes from kids/adults they've just met. 3-5 yo kids are not yet smart enough to bully other kids with phrases like "alexa play disco". Many of them barely speak at 3 years. They just take other children toys to bully. > those giving jokes out are probably just finding it funny that the kid is named like their smart assistant (when it is the other way around, actually). But for kids on the receiving end, it gets old really fast. When they mean no harm, the receiving end will perceive no harm. In that case, yes, will just get bored. And while it is harmless, might be even a useful experience. For example, getting used to be in a centre of attention, which will greatly help with career in the future. Like when a new kid joins the class, everyone says, hey, we have Alexa! And she gets a popularity point just for having a name. > Kids would learn to deal with it themselves, sure: by not introducing themselves to new people, or by not wanting to go to places where there are people you need to introduce yourself to. Then become a nun, and then live alone on a deserted island. That's possible, but unlikely.
  - watwut 5y ago
    > 3-5 yo kids are not yet smart enough to bully other kids with phrases like "alexa play disco". Many of them barely speak at 3 years. They just take other children toys to bully Average 3 years old talks and they can say sentences like this. 5 years old talk well and can invent things. > When they mean no harm, the receiving end will perceive no harm. That is ridiculous. The receiving end are not mind readers. And especially with kids, they do unintentional harm or bullying without being aware it is something wrong. They often think it is righteous or fun.
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klyrs 5y ago
> If a child was "bullied" with Alexa once, it's a part of growing up: what doesn't kill us, makes us stronger. Actually, childhood trauma causes all sorts of problems later in life. It doesn't make kids stronger, it makes them less resilient, more depressed and anxious, and more inclined to lash out and perpetuate the cycle of abuse when they have power over e.g. younger kids
- saltminer 5y ago
  Anyone who's interested in this should look into adverse childhood experiences (ACEs) - https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/aces/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/aces/index.html Small things like getting made fun of for your name, repeatedly, for years, can really mess with you, especially when people (including the adults in the room) are laughing at you when it happens and it's when your brain isn't even close to being done developing. It's not just violent abuse that can mess you up for life.
  - asteroidbelt 5y ago
    Making fun of the name is very different from experiences described on he website you linked (like a suicide of a family member). While one joke can cause lifetime mental health issues, I say it is very unlikely.
- asteroidbelt 5y ago
  Yes trauma causes long term issues, that is by the definition of the word “trauma”. A joke and and a consequence of learning how to deal with it in the future will not cause trauma: an average child have thousands experiences like this during growing up, if they were traumatic, humanity would extinct from suicide already. It is repeated consistent bullying may leads to problems. That’s why I said a child need to learn to deal with it.
watwut 5y ago
> what doesn't kill us, makes us stronger Many things that dont kill us make us weaker. And often. This sentence here is motivational sentence meant to give you hope. It is not accurate description of how things work. And specifically not in relation to bullying.
- asteroidbelt 5y ago
  > It is not accurate description of how things work. Grown up adults don’t usually expect precise descriptions of how human physiology works from one short quote. > This sentence here is motivational sentence Yes, obviously.

rhn_mk1 5y ago

> For that reason, for example, unsafe playgrounds are beneficial for children (google it). Why won't you google it for the shared benefit of all of us? It's an interesting topic, after all.

asteroidbelt 5y ago
There were many article in the media around 2012, I think this article https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3499858/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3499858/ started the discussion. It is short and not a study, but it has statements with links, like this: > Eager and Little describe a risk deprived child as more prone to problems such as obesity, mental health concerns, lack of independence, and a decrease in learning, perception and judgment skills, created when risk is removed from play and restrictions are too high.
- watwut 5y ago
  The risk there is skinned knee or mild fall. Not being bullying target. None of those structures is actually danherous in meaningfull sense.
  - asteroidbelt 5y ago
    > Not being bullying target. Being bullied once is perfectly safe. It happens to virtually everyone many times during they grow up. > None of those structures is actually danherous in meaningfull sense. A child can fall and break a leg, but otherwise it is safe in meaningful sense.

necovek 5y ago

Good luck teaching a 3-5 year old that when they keep receiving jokes from kids/adults they've just met. This is not a regular bullying situation where the bully really means harm: those giving jokes out are probably just finding it funny that the kid is named like their smart assistant (when it is the other way around, actually). But for kids on the receiving end, it gets old really fast. Kids would learn to deal with it themselves, sure: by not introducing themselves to new people, or by not wanting to go to places where there are people you need to introduce yourself to.

asteroidbelt 5y ago
> Good luck teaching a 3-5 year old that when they keep receiving jokes from kids/adults they've just met. 3-5 yo kids are not yet smart enough to bully other kids with phrases like "alexa play disco". Many of them barely speak at 3 years. They just take other children toys to bully. > those giving jokes out are probably just finding it funny that the kid is named like their smart assistant (when it is the other way around, actually). But for kids on the receiving end, it gets old really fast. When they mean no harm, the receiving end will perceive no harm. In that case, yes, will just get bored. And while it is harmless, might be even a useful experience. For example, getting used to be in a centre of attention, which will greatly help with career in the future. Like when a new kid joins the class, everyone says, hey, we have Alexa! And she gets a popularity point just for having a name. > Kids would learn to deal with it themselves, sure: by not introducing themselves to new people, or by not wanting to go to places where there are people you need to introduce yourself to. Then become a nun, and then live alone on a deserted island. That's possible, but unlikely.
- watwut 5y ago
  > 3-5 yo kids are not yet smart enough to bully other kids with phrases like "alexa play disco". Many of them barely speak at 3 years. They just take other children toys to bully Average 3 years old talks and they can say sentences like this. 5 years old talk well and can invent things. > When they mean no harm, the receiving end will perceive no harm. That is ridiculous. The receiving end are not mind readers. And especially with kids, they do unintentional harm or bullying without being aware it is something wrong. They often think it is righteous or fun.

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klyrs 5y ago

> If a child was "bullied" with Alexa once, it's a part of growing up: what doesn't kill us, makes us stronger. Actually, childhood trauma causes all sorts of problems later in life. It doesn't make kids stronger, it makes them less resilient, more depressed and anxious, and more inclined to lash out and perpetuate the cycle of abuse when they have power over e.g. younger kids

saltminer 5y ago
Anyone who's interested in this should look into adverse childhood experiences (ACEs) - https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/aces/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/aces/index.html Small things like getting made fun of for your name, repeatedly, for years, can really mess with you, especially when people (including the adults in the room) are laughing at you when it happens and it's when your brain isn't even close to being done developing. It's not just violent abuse that can mess you up for life.
- asteroidbelt 5y ago
  Making fun of the name is very different from experiences described on he website you linked (like a suicide of a family member). While one joke can cause lifetime mental health issues, I say it is very unlikely.
asteroidbelt 5y ago
Yes trauma causes long term issues, that is by the definition of the word “trauma”. A joke and and a consequence of learning how to deal with it in the future will not cause trauma: an average child have thousands experiences like this during growing up, if they were traumatic, humanity would extinct from suicide already. It is repeated consistent bullying may leads to problems. That’s why I said a child need to learn to deal with it.

watwut 5y ago

> what doesn't kill us, makes us stronger Many things that dont kill us make us weaker. And often. This sentence here is motivational sentence meant to give you hope. It is not accurate description of how things work. And specifically not in relation to bullying.

asteroidbelt 5y ago
> It is not accurate description of how things work. Grown up adults don’t usually expect precise descriptions of how human physiology works from one short quote. > This sentence here is motivational sentence Yes, obviously.