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And when I just have bought M1 machine and shared my impressions here I was heavily downvoted because I've stated: "It's the buggiest machine I ever had" If suc

And when I just have bought M1 machine and shared my impressions here I was heavily downvoted because I've stated: "It's the buggiest machine I ever had" If such basic functionality as bluetooth support is not working what is wrong with such statement? People were claiming (without any proof) that I simply stumble on malfunctioning hardware ... The hardware is still ok till this very day according to all tests and all problems were and are software related. I have discovered that many of them are well known too. So, no dears, it's not hardware. I've just seen better quality before. I should repeat: This is the buggiest machine I ever had and I am going to repeat it untill it is fixed. But looks like they have something more important to do then care about quality and customers. For instance downvoting what real people experience. Downvote reality as mush as you wish. Good luck with that.

grumpyprole 5y ago
Is there any operating system left now that isn't riddled with bugs? I blame Agile.
- rand49an 5y ago
  This probably isn't everyone's experience but I have Windows 10 Enterprise and it runs for months at a time whilst staying very stable. Can't fault it really.
- mpweiher 5y ago
  And you'd be wrong. First, I am not aware of any operating systems that are developed using agile methods, and second the empirical evidence is in that agile improves quality, so it would be better if they were. https://www.amazon.com/Accelerate-Software-Performing-Technology-Organizations/dp/1942788339 https://www.amazon.com/Accelerate-Software-Performing-Techno...
  - grumpyprole 5y ago
    It was joke. Your position looks rather like the true Scottmans fallacy to me.
    - mpweiher 5y ago
      1. The fallacy is called the "No true Scotsman". The "No" is rather important. :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman 2. And no, my position has nothing whatsoever to do with the "no true scotsman". I am not saying that they couldn't possibly be using agile because they have bad quality. I am saying that I am not aware of any of them using agile, and I was closely associated with at least one of them for a while. And I also separately cite the evidence that has now been produced that agile improves quality, and conclude that if there are quality problems as you claim, a more agile approach would likely help, at least according to the empirical evidence. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
      - grumpyprole 5y ago
        Given your rather patronising replies, I suspect the original joke was lost on you. The issue is not Agile per se, it is organisations assuming that "Agile" will solve all their problems, where "Agile" usually means vendor products, forced rituals and tick boxes. Yet more Agile evangelism does not address this problem. What organisations need more than anything is open minded individuals that are not slaves to established dogma. The Agile manifesto actually says that all methods should be constantly re-evaluated to see if they fit the particular organisation/team. Your empirical "evidence" likely comes with a lot of context and is unlikely to be applicable to all organisations and/or domains.
        CRConrad 5y ago
        And all that was supposed to be read into > Is there any operating system left now that isn't riddled with bugs? I blame Agile. ? I think not. If anything, that deserved even more patronizing replies.
        grumpyprole 5y ago
        > And all that was supposed to be read into. Of course not, I am however attempting to explain in detail why such sacrilegious "blame Agile" comments might be made. > If anything, that deserved even more patronizing replies. I am highly suspicious of anyone who is so certain of their position, we should all be riven by doubt!
fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
The interesting thing is that, for me, my Intel Macs with Catalina were, by far, the buggiest Macs I've used: my general experience of Big Sur is that it's probably the best release since High Sierra.
- lovelyviking 5y ago
  I intentionally avoided Catalina completely.
  - simonh 5y ago
    I did for a long time, but I installed it 3 months ago and it’s been fine. The problem with contingent bugs that only occur in rare circumstances is most people will never see them at all, but the few people that regularly do that thin will encounter the bug all the time, so individual anecdotes can be misleading.
    - lovelyviking 5y ago
      With all respect I have experience in QA and I am not talking about individual anecdotes. I am talking about well known problems that are easy to reproduce if you wish to look for them. It took me 10 minutes to discover few of them. Then I've googled and found that many people found them. If I did find it during 10 minutes what makes it impossible for Apple to find it? It wasn't that hard at all for me ... I wasn't even trying hard ... So it's not about individual misleading anecdotes, it's about tendency of poor quality in my opinion. May be we have different standards for quality?
      - mat0 5y ago
        Could you give any examples? The only bug I've found so far in my m1 macbook pro is an annoying flash of white color on the menu bar when using dark themes. Other than that it's been really smooth
        plussed_reader 5y ago
EugeneOZ 5y ago
Maybe your another device is the source of the bluetooth issue. I'm pairing iPhone and Jabra headset every day with m1 Air without any issues (BigSur).
- lovelyviking 5y ago
  OP has bluetooth problems. I had many other problems and after some googling I've found that all of them were well known and were not fixed. You can digg in my comments for more details. One of them : My machine just didn't even boot after update ... It didn't boot without 'another' mac. What genius decided that to revive my machine I should have another machine? But even during this process it barely worked after ~10 tries because ... well bugs even there. With all my huge experience I couldn't figure out the scenario that was working for sure ... just pure luck. This is horrible experience I think. For me there is no sense anymore to discuss each and every problem specifically when I sense tendency. I wouldn't make noise about few unfixed bugs but it's scary to see the tendency toward poor quality when your workflow and your sw project depends on MacOS. How I suppose to make perfect file manager if underlying OS is not functioning properly?
  - EugeneOZ 5y ago
    Sorry to hear about such awful experience with M1 Mac. Hope you'll be able to replace it using "trade in" this autumn.
plussed_reader 5y ago
The thunderbolt issues follow to the Intel based machines too, not just M1. Hellacious issues if you need to hot unplug a thunderbolt display and take a laptop somewhere; something about USBC not picking back up the thunderbolt assignments when reconnected. The display functions/reasserts itself, but none of the peripheral ports function until after the OS restarts. From this state, if I wake up the device twice from sleep with a Bluetooth mouse the OS will immediately reboot on the second wakeup(kernel panic message). After reboot the tbolt display functions until the next hot unplug. Rinse, repeat. All first party gear.

grumpyprole 5y ago

Is there any operating system left now that isn't riddled with bugs? I blame Agile.

rand49an 5y ago
This probably isn't everyone's experience but I have Windows 10 Enterprise and it runs for months at a time whilst staying very stable. Can't fault it really.
mpweiher 5y ago
And you'd be wrong. First, I am not aware of any operating systems that are developed using agile methods, and second the empirical evidence is in that agile improves quality, so it would be better if they were. https://www.amazon.com/Accelerate-Software-Performing-Technology-Organizations/dp/1942788339 https://www.amazon.com/Accelerate-Software-Performing-Techno...
- grumpyprole 5y ago
  It was joke. Your position looks rather like the true Scottmans fallacy to me.
  - mpweiher 5y ago
    1. The fallacy is called the "No true Scotsman". The "No" is rather important. :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman 2. And no, my position has nothing whatsoever to do with the "no true scotsman". I am not saying that they couldn't possibly be using agile because they have bad quality. I am saying that I am not aware of any of them using agile, and I was closely associated with at least one of them for a while. And I also separately cite the evidence that has now been produced that agile improves quality, and conclude that if there are quality problems as you claim, a more agile approach would likely help, at least according to the empirical evidence. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    - grumpyprole 5y ago
      Given your rather patronising replies, I suspect the original joke was lost on you. The issue is not Agile per se, it is organisations assuming that "Agile" will solve all their problems, where "Agile" usually means vendor products, forced rituals and tick boxes. Yet more Agile evangelism does not address this problem. What organisations need more than anything is open minded individuals that are not slaves to established dogma. The Agile manifesto actually says that all methods should be constantly re-evaluated to see if they fit the particular organisation/team. Your empirical "evidence" likely comes with a lot of context and is unlikely to be applicable to all organisations and/or domains.
      - CRConrad 5y ago
        And all that was supposed to be read into > Is there any operating system left now that isn't riddled with bugs? I blame Agile. ? I think not. If anything, that deserved even more patronizing replies.
        grumpyprole 5y ago
        > And all that was supposed to be read into. Of course not, I am however attempting to explain in detail why such sacrilegious "blame Agile" comments might be made. > If anything, that deserved even more patronizing replies. I am highly suspicious of anyone who is so certain of their position, we should all be riven by doubt!

fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago

The interesting thing is that, for me, my Intel Macs with Catalina were, by far, the buggiest Macs I've used: my general experience of Big Sur is that it's probably the best release since High Sierra.

lovelyviking 5y ago
I intentionally avoided Catalina completely.
- simonh 5y ago
  I did for a long time, but I installed it 3 months ago and it’s been fine. The problem with contingent bugs that only occur in rare circumstances is most people will never see them at all, but the few people that regularly do that thin will encounter the bug all the time, so individual anecdotes can be misleading.
  - lovelyviking 5y ago
    With all respect I have experience in QA and I am not talking about individual anecdotes. I am talking about well known problems that are easy to reproduce if you wish to look for them. It took me 10 minutes to discover few of them. Then I've googled and found that many people found them. If I did find it during 10 minutes what makes it impossible for Apple to find it? It wasn't that hard at all for me ... I wasn't even trying hard ... So it's not about individual misleading anecdotes, it's about tendency of poor quality in my opinion. May be we have different standards for quality?
    - mat0 5y ago
      Could you give any examples? The only bug I've found so far in my m1 macbook pro is an annoying flash of white color on the menu bar when using dark themes. Other than that it's been really smooth
      - plussed_reader 5y ago

EugeneOZ 5y ago

Maybe your another device is the source of the bluetooth issue. I'm pairing iPhone and Jabra headset every day with m1 Air without any issues (BigSur).

lovelyviking 5y ago
OP has bluetooth problems. I had many other problems and after some googling I've found that all of them were well known and were not fixed. You can digg in my comments for more details. One of them : My machine just didn't even boot after update ... It didn't boot without 'another' mac. What genius decided that to revive my machine I should have another machine? But even during this process it barely worked after ~10 tries because ... well bugs even there. With all my huge experience I couldn't figure out the scenario that was working for sure ... just pure luck. This is horrible experience I think. For me there is no sense anymore to discuss each and every problem specifically when I sense tendency. I wouldn't make noise about few unfixed bugs but it's scary to see the tendency toward poor quality when your workflow and your sw project depends on MacOS. How I suppose to make perfect file manager if underlying OS is not functioning properly?
- EugeneOZ 5y ago
  Sorry to hear about such awful experience with M1 Mac. Hope you'll be able to replace it using "trade in" this autumn.

plussed_reader 5y ago

The thunderbolt issues follow to the Intel based machines too, not just M1. Hellacious issues if you need to hot unplug a thunderbolt display and take a laptop somewhere; something about USBC not picking back up the thunderbolt assignments when reconnected. The display functions/reasserts itself, but none of the peripheral ports function until after the OS restarts. From this state, if I wake up the device twice from sleep with a Bluetooth mouse the OS will immediately reboot on the second wakeup(kernel panic message). After reboot the tbolt display functions until the next hot unplug. Rinse, repeat. All first party gear.