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You clearly have spent no time around criminals, or as a guest of the criminal justice system. I have done both. Nobody gives a shit about education. Nobody fr

You clearly have spent no time around criminals, or as a guest of the criminal justice system. I have done both. Nobody gives a shit about education. Nobody from the hood gives a fuck about your Stanford degree. Why should you work for a living? You don't even keep your full paycheck: the government takes 25% right off the top. Don't argue that point, I worked in fast food. Your honest job has no honor or glory. Nobody respects a cashier at McDonalds. You get shit on, all day long by the public, for next to nothing. But you get to see all those rich people on TV, all day long. We value our lives not in absolute terms, but relative to the wealth we see around us. Violence and exploitation get you both wealth and respect. Girls will fuck you for free drugs. And because you're hard. You throw down with the cops because you don't give a fuck. Nobody fucks with you, because you have a reputation. "Tough on crime" won't fix this. Neither will social programs. Stupid has to hurt bad, and that just isn't palatable to polite society.

yusyusyus 5y ago
>Stupid has to hurt bad, and that just isn't palatable to polite society. What does this actually mean from your POV?
akomtu 5y ago
What if the gov gave anonymous "evacuation loans"? The target audience is teens in crime ridden neighborhoods that want to escape, but have no means to do so, and even if they tried, the immense peer pressure wouldnt let them. The loan would allow such teens to relocate anywhere in the US, with all expenses, including tution, paid. Upon graduating the loan would be forgiven. I admit, this idea may be a fantasy. Edit. Your comment being downvoted confirms that the politically correct left doesn't want to listen.
- lupire 5y ago
  What do you think someone in extreme poverty would want to throw away their local family and support network, in exchange for being an outcast somewhere else? Are you going to pay them $100K/yt until they build a new life?
  - fighterpilot 5y ago
    > throw away their local family and support network Why do you label this as "throwing away their local family", but you wouldn't label the millions of regular students studying overseas or interstate in the same way?
fra 5y ago
Or maybe - just maybe! - behaving decently has to offer some level of comfort, safety, and status. Instead the folks who try to work face poverty wages, violence, and degrading work conditions. Instead of trying to make people's lives even more miserable ("stupid has to hurt bad"), let's give them a path to a decent existence.
- hulitu 5y ago
  > Or maybe - just maybe! - behaving decently has to offer some level of comfort, safety, and status. Instead the folks who try to work face poverty wages, violence, and degrading work conditions. Maybe. > Instead of trying to make people's lives even more miserable ("stupid has to hurt bad"), let's give them a path to a decent existence. When they have a decent existence some of them will start to think. And this shall not happen /s "The masses could only become dangerous if the advance of industrial technique made it necessary to educate them more highly: but, since military and commercial rivalries are no longer of primary importance, the level of popular education is actually declining." "The war is waged by each ruling group against its own subjects, and the object of war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of global society intact." George Orwell - 1984
  - fdhfdjkfhdkj 5y ago
    gg
RalfWausE 5y ago
"Nobody respects a cashier at McDonalds" --- I think THIS is the point: If we bring back (or better: establish) the mindset in the public, that any form of legal employment has its intrinsic honor ("I can life with the fruit of my own hands work", "workers pride" and so on) then i think the motivation for crime could go down...
- matthewdgreen 5y ago
  McDonald’s very deliberately structured its workforce to be lower-skill and replaceable, even though it would be less expensive for them to hire skilled employees like short-order cooks. They did this very deliberately in order to make the company more resistant to labor organization efforts. When people say that McDonald’s jobs are low-status and replaceable, they’re reflecting the correct perception that these jobs were engineered to be low-status and replaceable. No amount of admonishing people is going to make humans admire a profession (the profession, not the people) that was designed this way.
  - zozbot234 5y ago
    IOW, they went out of their way to create more jobs than they otherwise would. Job deskilling is good for the most marginalized workers, even when those with valuable skills would oppose it.
- 6f8986c3 5y ago
  Correct.
amanaplanacanal 5y ago
Legalize drugs so they are cheap and easily available, and then people will fuck you because they like you, not because you have the expensive drugs they want. Actually, if you just legalize all the victimless crimes, making a living as a criminal is going to be a lot harder than just getting a job.

yusyusyus 5y ago

>Stupid has to hurt bad, and that just isn't palatable to polite society. What does this actually mean from your POV?

akomtu 5y ago

What if the gov gave anonymous "evacuation loans"? The target audience is teens in crime ridden neighborhoods that want to escape, but have no means to do so, and even if they tried, the immense peer pressure wouldnt let them. The loan would allow such teens to relocate anywhere in the US, with all expenses, including tution, paid. Upon graduating the loan would be forgiven. I admit, this idea may be a fantasy. Edit. Your comment being downvoted confirms that the politically correct left doesn't want to listen.

lupire 5y ago
What do you think someone in extreme poverty would want to throw away their local family and support network, in exchange for being an outcast somewhere else? Are you going to pay them $100K/yt until they build a new life?
- fighterpilot 5y ago
  > throw away their local family and support network Why do you label this as "throwing away their local family", but you wouldn't label the millions of regular students studying overseas or interstate in the same way?

fra 5y ago

Or maybe - just maybe! - behaving decently has to offer some level of comfort, safety, and status. Instead the folks who try to work face poverty wages, violence, and degrading work conditions. Instead of trying to make people's lives even more miserable ("stupid has to hurt bad"), let's give them a path to a decent existence.

hulitu 5y ago
> Or maybe - just maybe! - behaving decently has to offer some level of comfort, safety, and status. Instead the folks who try to work face poverty wages, violence, and degrading work conditions. Maybe. > Instead of trying to make people's lives even more miserable ("stupid has to hurt bad"), let's give them a path to a decent existence. When they have a decent existence some of them will start to think. And this shall not happen /s "The masses could only become dangerous if the advance of industrial technique made it necessary to educate them more highly: but, since military and commercial rivalries are no longer of primary importance, the level of popular education is actually declining." "The war is waged by each ruling group against its own subjects, and the object of war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of global society intact." George Orwell - 1984
- fdhfdjkfhdkj 5y ago
  gg

RalfWausE 5y ago

"Nobody respects a cashier at McDonalds" --- I think THIS is the point: If we bring back (or better: establish) the mindset in the public, that any form of legal employment has its intrinsic honor ("I can life with the fruit of my own hands work", "workers pride" and so on) then i think the motivation for crime could go down...

matthewdgreen 5y ago
McDonald’s very deliberately structured its workforce to be lower-skill and replaceable, even though it would be less expensive for them to hire skilled employees like short-order cooks. They did this very deliberately in order to make the company more resistant to labor organization efforts. When people say that McDonald’s jobs are low-status and replaceable, they’re reflecting the correct perception that these jobs were engineered to be low-status and replaceable. No amount of admonishing people is going to make humans admire a profession (the profession, not the people) that was designed this way.
- zozbot234 5y ago
  IOW, they went out of their way to create more jobs than they otherwise would. Job deskilling is good for the most marginalized workers, even when those with valuable skills would oppose it.
6f8986c3 5y ago
Correct.

amanaplanacanal 5y ago

Legalize drugs so they are cheap and easily available, and then people will fuck you because they like you, not because you have the expensive drugs they want. Actually, if you just legalize all the victimless crimes, making a living as a criminal is going to be a lot harder than just getting a job.