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I’ve waited for bug fixes to malfunctioning bluetooth connection and support for two (or more) external monitors for whole BigSur cycle. Needless to say, I can

I’ve waited for bug fixes to malfunctioning bluetooth connection and support for two (or more) external monitors for whole BigSur cycle. Needless to say, I can still use only one external monitor and I still need to regularly reboot to get my dual bluetooth headset setup working. If anyone at Apple is reading this: Please fix the basic functionality before introducing new version that will break even more basic functionality. The current state of affairs is horrible.

Hamuko 5y ago
What's the issue with dual external displays? I ask because I'm using the built-in display on my 16-inch MacBook Pro (macOS 11.3) as well as two 27-inch 2560x1440 displays as I write this.
- jari_mustonen 5y ago
  M1 mac, two thunderbolt 3 monitors (daisy chained or on separate ports), only one working.
  - Hamuko 5y ago
    Which M1 Mac? Because isn't the only M1 Mac that is actually capable of running two external displays on a hardware-level the Mac Mini?
    - astrange 5y ago
      No M1 machines support two Thunderbolt displays. The mini supports another HDMI display, and the rest can work with USB adaptors.
    - jbverschoor 5y ago
      There's no difference between external and internal display. The M1 can drive 2 displays. Your Macbook already has 1
      - jari_mustonen 5y ago
        Not true. I can’t use it with two external displays with lid closed.
        Hamuko 5y ago
        I imagine it's more like there's only two lanes for graphics and the one lane is permanently taken by the internal display.
        jbverschoor 5y ago
        If you really want to, you can probably resolder and add an hdmi connector
  - crooked-v 5y ago
    That's a hardware limitation of the current M1 chipset, not a software bug.
    - jari_mustonen 5y ago
      Apple has stated that they will provide software fix for this eventually but have not done so so far. Instead we are getting these new releases with all kinds of fancy UI upgrades and what nots. Also, my bluetooth requires reboots almost on daily basis.
      - crooked-v 5y ago
        > Apple has stated that they will provide software fix for this eventually I would be really curious to see the source for this.
      - mlindner 5y ago
        Perhaps the PR person didn’t talk to the hardware people first to see if it was actually possible. I doubt it’s ever going to happen. You should be looking to get the M2 and not wait for a fix that will never come.
  - cbovis 5y ago
    As crooked-v noted, there is no native support within the M1 Macbooks for multiple external displays. Apple states this on the tech specs page in the Video Support section: https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-13/specs/ https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-13/specs/ You can workaround the issue with a Displaylink dock though. I've been using the Dell D6000 dock to run two displays on my M1 Macbook Pro since launch. It's definitely not a perfect solution (with buggy wake-from-sleep quite often) but it's a good compromise until there's native support.
lovelyviking 5y ago
And when I just have bought M1 machine and shared my impressions here I was heavily downvoted because I've stated: "It's the buggiest machine I ever had" If such basic functionality as bluetooth support is not working what is wrong with such statement? People were claiming (without any proof) that I simply stumble on malfunctioning hardware ... The hardware is still ok till this very day according to all tests and all problems were and are software related. I have discovered that many of them are well known too. So, no dears, it's not hardware. I've just seen better quality before. I should repeat: This is the buggiest machine I ever had and I am going to repeat it untill it is fixed. But looks like they have something more important to do then care about quality and customers. For instance downvoting what real people experience. Downvote reality as mush as you wish. Good luck with that.
- grumpyprole 5y ago
  Is there any operating system left now that isn't riddled with bugs? I blame Agile.
  - rand49an 5y ago
    This probably isn't everyone's experience but I have Windows 10 Enterprise and it runs for months at a time whilst staying very stable. Can't fault it really.
  - mpweiher 5y ago
    And you'd be wrong. First, I am not aware of any operating systems that are developed using agile methods, and second the empirical evidence is in that agile improves quality, so it would be better if they were. https://www.amazon.com/Accelerate-Software-Performing-Technology-Organizations/dp/1942788339 https://www.amazon.com/Accelerate-Software-Performing-Techno...
    - grumpyprole 5y ago
      It was joke. Your position looks rather like the true Scottmans fallacy to me.
astrange 5y ago
Bluetooth not working could be all kinds of things, like RF noise or USB accessories interfering. Try removing things and then complain to support.
- tonyedgecombe 5y ago
  I know I have a lot of problems with my Mac mini with bluetooth but my MacBook Air is fine. Both running Big Sur.
- whywhywhywhy 5y ago
  can also mean you just have a faulty Bluetooth chip. My USB-C MBP has one, just stops working and needs a reboot to kick it back to life.
m12k 5y ago
I really hope they make another "Snow Leopard"-style release. Minimal new features, just bug fixes and performance enhancements.
- rtpg 5y ago
  You know what would make bugs even less prevalent? rolling releases. The fact that people think that slowing down release cadence would make MacOS somehow more stable seems to be missing the core fact that "changing 100 things at once" _is the problem_! They give this stuff out for free, and I know there's marketing associated to OS releases, but stuff would be a lot more stable if they just shipped stuff over the year instead of deciding to break everyone's computer consistently once a year. Have people on a rolling-release beta track or something, at least.
  - janfoeh 5y ago
    I vehemently disagree that rolling releases are a good idea. I've found myself disabling auto updates on quite a few applications as of late, because I am tired of constant interruptions to my workflow, breakages and UI changes. Being able to at least concentrate those inevitable annoyances and interruptions into one point in time is a good thing for me. The alternative has turned out to be death by a thousand papercuts.
- Wowfunhappy 5y ago
  We've had several: Mountain Lion, El Capitan, and High Sierra. I agree we're well overdue for another one. I was really expecting a "macOS Avalon" in 2020, but that of course didn't happen.
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Hamuko 5y ago

What's the issue with dual external displays? I ask because I'm using the built-in display on my 16-inch MacBook Pro (macOS 11.3) as well as two 27-inch 2560x1440 displays as I write this.

jari_mustonen 5y ago
M1 mac, two thunderbolt 3 monitors (daisy chained or on separate ports), only one working.
- Hamuko 5y ago
  Which M1 Mac? Because isn't the only M1 Mac that is actually capable of running two external displays on a hardware-level the Mac Mini?
  - astrange 5y ago
    No M1 machines support two Thunderbolt displays. The mini supports another HDMI display, and the rest can work with USB adaptors.
  - jbverschoor 5y ago
    There's no difference between external and internal display. The M1 can drive 2 displays. Your Macbook already has 1
    - jari_mustonen 5y ago
      Not true. I can’t use it with two external displays with lid closed.
      - Hamuko 5y ago
        I imagine it's more like there's only two lanes for graphics and the one lane is permanently taken by the internal display.
      - jbverschoor 5y ago
        If you really want to, you can probably resolder and add an hdmi connector
- crooked-v 5y ago
  That's a hardware limitation of the current M1 chipset, not a software bug.
  - jari_mustonen 5y ago
    Apple has stated that they will provide software fix for this eventually but have not done so so far. Instead we are getting these new releases with all kinds of fancy UI upgrades and what nots. Also, my bluetooth requires reboots almost on daily basis.
    - crooked-v 5y ago
      > Apple has stated that they will provide software fix for this eventually I would be really curious to see the source for this.
    - mlindner 5y ago
      Perhaps the PR person didn’t talk to the hardware people first to see if it was actually possible. I doubt it’s ever going to happen. You should be looking to get the M2 and not wait for a fix that will never come.
- cbovis 5y ago
  As crooked-v noted, there is no native support within the M1 Macbooks for multiple external displays. Apple states this on the tech specs page in the Video Support section: https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-13/specs/ https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-13/specs/ You can workaround the issue with a Displaylink dock though. I've been using the Dell D6000 dock to run two displays on my M1 Macbook Pro since launch. It's definitely not a perfect solution (with buggy wake-from-sleep quite often) but it's a good compromise until there's native support.

lovelyviking 5y ago

And when I just have bought M1 machine and shared my impressions here I was heavily downvoted because I've stated: "It's the buggiest machine I ever had" If such basic functionality as bluetooth support is not working what is wrong with such statement? People were claiming (without any proof) that I simply stumble on malfunctioning hardware ... The hardware is still ok till this very day according to all tests and all problems were and are software related. I have discovered that many of them are well known too. So, no dears, it's not hardware. I've just seen better quality before. I should repeat: This is the buggiest machine I ever had and I am going to repeat it untill it is fixed. But looks like they have something more important to do then care about quality and customers. For instance downvoting what real people experience. Downvote reality as mush as you wish. Good luck with that.

grumpyprole 5y ago
Is there any operating system left now that isn't riddled with bugs? I blame Agile.
- rand49an 5y ago
  This probably isn't everyone's experience but I have Windows 10 Enterprise and it runs for months at a time whilst staying very stable. Can't fault it really.
- mpweiher 5y ago
  And you'd be wrong. First, I am not aware of any operating systems that are developed using agile methods, and second the empirical evidence is in that agile improves quality, so it would be better if they were. https://www.amazon.com/Accelerate-Software-Performing-Technology-Organizations/dp/1942788339 https://www.amazon.com/Accelerate-Software-Performing-Techno...
  - grumpyprole 5y ago
    It was joke. Your position looks rather like the true Scottmans fallacy to me.

astrange 5y ago

Bluetooth not working could be all kinds of things, like RF noise or USB accessories interfering. Try removing things and then complain to support.

tonyedgecombe 5y ago
I know I have a lot of problems with my Mac mini with bluetooth but my MacBook Air is fine. Both running Big Sur.
whywhywhywhy 5y ago
can also mean you just have a faulty Bluetooth chip. My USB-C MBP has one, just stops working and needs a reboot to kick it back to life.

m12k 5y ago

I really hope they make another "Snow Leopard"-style release. Minimal new features, just bug fixes and performance enhancements.

rtpg 5y ago
You know what would make bugs even less prevalent? rolling releases. The fact that people think that slowing down release cadence would make MacOS somehow more stable seems to be missing the core fact that "changing 100 things at once" _is the problem_! They give this stuff out for free, and I know there's marketing associated to OS releases, but stuff would be a lot more stable if they just shipped stuff over the year instead of deciding to break everyone's computer consistently once a year. Have people on a rolling-release beta track or something, at least.
- janfoeh 5y ago
  I vehemently disagree that rolling releases are a good idea. I've found myself disabling auto updates on quite a few applications as of late, because I am tired of constant interruptions to my workflow, breakages and UI changes. Being able to at least concentrate those inevitable annoyances and interruptions into one point in time is a good thing for me. The alternative has turned out to be death by a thousand papercuts.
Wowfunhappy 5y ago
We've had several: Mountain Lion, El Capitan, and High Sierra. I agree we're well overdue for another one. I was really expecting a "macOS Avalon" in 2020, but that of course didn't happen.

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