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I just feel like I'm morally obligated to chime in — you can't be told you don't exist and not feel a little weird about it =) >this notion of happiness as a p
by loves_mangoes 5y ago
I just feel like I'm morally obligated to chime in — you can't be told you don't exist and not feel a little weird about it =)
>this notion of happiness as a permanent state of being. I've never experienced it or seen it
Alright, so maybe your idea of what others mean by happiness is not what I'd expect. I don't think most people would define happiness as a permanent state of being.
There's a risk we'd be talking past each other a bit, so I'm going to try to define what I mean by happiness, and why I'm, so far, pretty sure that I exist!
As far as I'm concerned, "being happy" is about how your baseline level of emotion is.
When nothing in particular is happening, let's say if you lied down for a minute, are you stressed, depressed, worried, miserable, feeling like you are wasting time idling and really should be doing something else?
Unless most of your day is an emotional rollercoaster, to me a large part of the time is "baseline" like this. If nothing is acting on you, then your emotions come from within.
And I'd like to hope most people in a stable situation don't experience any of the above negative emotions for no reason, they're not actively suffering when nothing is being done to them.
But that's not what happiness is, it's just neutrality. And happiness isn't the only emotion you're allowed to feel either (that would be pretty unhealthy!). It's not a constant, or a permanent state. It doesn't mean you can't have a bad day, or that you take bad things with a smile. It means you take neutral things with a smile!
It means that when things are at baseline, you don't need to look for a reason to feel good, and redeem the fact that everything is going great and you have nothing to worry about! You don't need a reason to smile.
If what's puzzling you is the 'religious attachment' to pursing happiness, well, I don't get it either. But those articles that sell happiness methods and simple steps and lifestyle changes are clearly not meant for me. I don't feel like happiness is something you chase, or some out of reach goal that requires years of devoted training.
Somehow this seems controversial enough that I'm not comfortable admitting to happiness on my main account's post history! But I hope you can believe that I'm being sincere, and that I wish you the best.
Much love <3
- iammisc 5y ago> As far as I'm concerned, "being happy" is about how your baseline level of emotion is. When nothing in particular is happening, let's say if you lied down for a minute, are you stressed, depressed, worried, miserable, feeling like you are wasting time idling and really should be doing something else? Nope. I love doing nothing. Have no care in the world. Don't feel stressed. Don't feel miserable. I don't feel anything. Should I think about my life, I feel content. But contentedness is different from happiness, because I am content even when I am quite obviously suffering or in pain. For example, I recently sprained my back quite hard. Was I uncontented? Not at all. Even while in pain, I was perfectly fine. > Alright, so maybe your idea of what others mean by happiness is not what I'd expect. I don't think most people would define happiness as a permanent state of being. But this is the very definition of happiness I believe is pushed on us by the pschology-industrial complex, and is the one I reject. Certainly, the fleeting feeling of 'happiness' exists. I just don't believe the psychobabble version of happiness exists. Moreover, I think it would be extremely depressing if it did. > . It doesn't mean you can't have a bad day, or that you take bad things with a smile. It means you take neutral things with a smile! I guess I find this strange, because even when I have a bad day, I'm typically extremely optimistic. As I've said elsewhere, I'm an eternal optimist. > I don't feel like happiness is something you chase, or some out of reach goal that requires years of devoted training. I think you're arguing against a strawman. You call happiness, what I call neutrality or maybe contentedness. This article is not about that. It's about something else.