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The cruise ship industry emitted 21930000 tons of CO2 in 2017. https://www.tourismdashboard.org/explore-the-data/cruise-ship/ https://www.tourismdashboard.org/

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• lucb1e 5y ago
  And China is worse still. And people cooking non-electrically in Africa, let's get those first. ... or we can tackle multiple areas at once, perhaps? I'm not arguing the Autobahn must be high on the priority list, but simply pointing a finger "this is worse" and then turning away is also not constructive.
  • aeternum 5y ago
    Effort is a resource, it takes a lot of work to change things so it absolutely makes sense to have some discipline, create a prioritized list and focus on the things with the most yield. Too often people jump on the first thing they see and also ignore externalities. How many frustrated autobahn drivers will oppose CO2 reduction efforts elsewhere?
    • lucb1e 5y ago
      > How many frustrated autobahn drivers will oppose CO2 reduction efforts elsewhere? Yeah, that is a good point. It must be weighed whether these particular 0.3% are worth it against other potentially contentious issues (and we should additionally consider whether it is likely to become more in the future, or if it's simply a large enough number to matter over the years regardless), hence also my cagey phrasing of "I'm not arguing the Autobahn [in particular] must be high on the priority list". Still, though, simply pointing at cruise ships and forgetting about potential gains here is not the most constructive thing to do in my opinion.
    • aliasEli 5y ago
      > How many frustrated autobahn drivers will oppose CO2 reduction efforts elsewhere? I am not sure how to put this nicely. Autobahn drivers that currently drive at the maximum speed are already quite likely already frustrated. They probably would like to fly a plane and they are constantly hindered by other cars on the road. In other words, they are the kind of egoists that are unlikely to support any form of CO2 reduction already.