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That does not mean that we cannot or should not try because if we want this change (and we need it!) someone just has to start.

• ars 5y ago
  I didn't read his comment that way, rather than our focus on where change is needed should be elsewhere. Environmentalists far too often celebrate symbolic and useless wins, like the plastic straw ban, that doesn't actually do anything. That sounds bad ... I don't mean this win is useless - this win is awesome, but no one should rest on their laurels.
  • MaxHoppersGhost 5y ago
    Exactly. The biggest impact we could make is to hold China accountable. But it’s also not popular and doesn’t make people feel warm and fuzzy like banning plastic straws does.
    • _Microft 5y ago
      Your initial comment would have been a lot better if you had actually included that part ("The biggest impact we could make is to hold China accountable because 50% of their electricity ..."). As it is it looks a lot like whataboutism as another commenter remarked.