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Vietnam is the only one that comes to mind

by hnxs 5y ago

sudosysgen 5y ago
Yes, as well as Taiwan though the second is a core definitional distinction.
justicezyx 5y ago
No, even in Vietnam, Deng Xiaoping stroke and then retreated immediately, followed by 2 years of border clash intentionally to be low degree. It's a punishment on Vietnam's foreign invasion into Cambodia and Thailand. You can call it a bully. But usually such behavior is more neutrally assessed.
- hnxs 5y ago
  Retreated immediately because they lost. It was even referred to as an embarrassment internally, and directly led to modernization of the PRC military.
  - dirtyid 5y ago
    Deng intended limited attack. And the incursion was limited. >It was even referred to as an embarrassment internally The theory was Deng, new in power intentionally wanted to embarrass powerful PLA brass to consolidate power. He was successful in that regard. It embarrassed the right people, by design. >and directly led to modernization of the PRC military. PLA modernization was in response to US stomping Iraq in Gulf War later. Anemic PLA was sufficient for Vietnam if they chose to press on with campaign. Poverty navy was enough for SCS against Vietnam (the other Sino-Vietnam war). Vietnam had very little influence on PLA modernization. >because they lost Categorical success in retrospect. PRC set back Vietnam development by 10+ years, forced CPV to dump resources into defense spending while wrecking enough of the country that Vietnam missed out on FDI that went straight to modernizing PRC. Current boom in Vietnam could have happened decade+ earlier during a period with greater potential to capitalize on offshoring before automation. Common thread in these events is that PRC focused on / won political victories, i.e. war is merely the continuation of politics with other means. That said politics as alternative to war still realistically involves bullying.
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  That wasn't the first Chinese invasion of Vietnam, though. The first time they stayed for a thousand years. (At least, that's how the Vietnamese tell it.)
  - justicezyx 5y ago
    Vietnam was conquered for some time, maybe in Ming dynasty. Then got independence. Don't quote me on this, my memory is rough.

Vietnam is the only one that comes to mind

by hnxs 5y ago

Vietnam is the only one that comes to mind

sudosysgen 5y ago

Yes, as well as Taiwan though the second is a core definitional distinction.

justicezyx 5y ago

No, even in Vietnam, Deng Xiaoping stroke and then retreated immediately, followed by 2 years of border clash intentionally to be low degree. It's a punishment on Vietnam's foreign invasion into Cambodia and Thailand. You can call it a bully. But usually such behavior is more neutrally assessed.

hnxs 5y ago
Retreated immediately because they lost. It was even referred to as an embarrassment internally, and directly led to modernization of the PRC military.
- dirtyid 5y ago
  Deng intended limited attack. And the incursion was limited. >It was even referred to as an embarrassment internally The theory was Deng, new in power intentionally wanted to embarrass powerful PLA brass to consolidate power. He was successful in that regard. It embarrassed the right people, by design. >and directly led to modernization of the PRC military. PLA modernization was in response to US stomping Iraq in Gulf War later. Anemic PLA was sufficient for Vietnam if they chose to press on with campaign. Poverty navy was enough for SCS against Vietnam (the other Sino-Vietnam war). Vietnam had very little influence on PLA modernization. >because they lost Categorical success in retrospect. PRC set back Vietnam development by 10+ years, forced CPV to dump resources into defense spending while wrecking enough of the country that Vietnam missed out on FDI that went straight to modernizing PRC. Current boom in Vietnam could have happened decade+ earlier during a period with greater potential to capitalize on offshoring before automation. Common thread in these events is that PRC focused on / won political victories, i.e. war is merely the continuation of politics with other means. That said politics as alternative to war still realistically involves bullying.
AnimalMuppet 5y ago
That wasn't the first Chinese invasion of Vietnam, though. The first time they stayed for a thousand years. (At least, that's how the Vietnamese tell it.)
- justicezyx 5y ago
  Vietnam was conquered for some time, maybe in Ming dynasty. Then got independence. Don't quote me on this, my memory is rough.