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> We have never bullied, oppressed, or subjugated the people of any other country, and we never will I'd ask a Uyghur but they're in Lake Laogai

by dcoo 5y ago

sudosysgen 5y ago
He did specify any other country.
- oxymoran 5y ago
  Then ask Hong Kong. Or Taiwan.
  - nicebyte 5y ago
    while i agree with your sentiment, hk is not "another country" by any stretch.
  - lucian1900 5y ago
    The people in HK and Taiwan overwhelmingly consider themselves to be Chinese and part of China, regardless of their opinion of the PRC.
    - brobinson 5y ago
      >people in ... Taiwan overwhelmingly consider themselves to be Chinese 2/3 of people in Taiwan identify as Taiwanese exclusively: https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/PageDoc/Detail?fid=7800&id=6961 https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/PageDoc/Detail?fid=7800&id=6961 >people in ... Taiwan overwhelmingly consider themselves to be ... part of China For those not familiar with the situation, Taiwan is the "Republic of China" as opposed to the "People's Republic of China". "China" in English is ambiguous as it could mean 中國, 中華民國, or 中華人民共和國 (usually meaning the last one nowadays). Both the ROC (中華民國) and PRC (中華人民共和國) claim to represent "China" (中國) according to their constitutions, but the PRC is the representative of "China" (中國) at the United Nations since 1971.
      - lucian1900 5y ago
        I’m just repeating what friends in Taiwan have told me. The ROC government still claims all of China after all, just like the PRC.
    - throwaway894345 5y ago
      According to the Chinese state media, or "independent" media outlets who are obligated to propagate the government narrative?
    - fvv 5y ago
      By DNA :yes , by language .. sure.. , by culture? A bit , yes .. wanting to be subjugated by current ccp regime? Absolutely not
    - hker 5y ago
      Data suggests otherwise. Majority of Hong Kong people [1] or Taiwan people [2] do not consider themselves to be Chinese. [1]: https://www.pori.hk/pop-poll/ethnic-identity-en/q001.html?lang=en https://www.pori.hk/pop-poll/ethnic-identity-en/q001.html?la... [2]: https://ipdefenseforum.com/2021/02/taiwan-poll-finds-citizens-identify-as-non-chinese/ https://ipdefenseforum.com/2021/02/taiwan-poll-finds-citizen...
    - polotics 5y ago
      Citation needed
- hnxs 5y ago
  Vietnam is the only one that comes to mind
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    Yes, as well as Taiwan though the second is a core definitional distinction.
  - justicezyx 5y ago
    No, even in Vietnam, Deng Xiaoping stroke and then retreated immediately, followed by 2 years of border clash intentionally to be low degree. It's a punishment on Vietnam's foreign invasion into Cambodia and Thailand. You can call it a bully. But usually such behavior is more neutrally assessed.
    - hnxs 5y ago
      Retreated immediately because they lost. It was even referred to as an embarrassment internally, and directly led to modernization of the PRC military.
      - dirtyid 5y ago
        Deng intended limited attack. And the incursion was limited. >It was even referred to as an embarrassment internally The theory was Deng, new in power intentionally wanted to embarrass powerful PLA brass to consolidate power. He was successful in that regard. It embarrassed the right people, by design. >and directly led to modernization of the PRC military. PLA modernization was in response to US stomping Iraq in Gulf War later. Anemic PLA was sufficient for Vietnam if they chose to press on with campaign. Poverty navy was enough for SCS against Vietnam (the other Sino-Vietnam war). Vietnam had very little influence on PLA modernization. >because they lost Categorical success in retrospect. PRC set back Vietnam development by 10+ years, forced CPV to dump resources into defense spending while wrecking enough of the country that Vietnam missed out on FDI that went straight to modernizing PRC. Current boom in Vietnam could have happened decade+ earlier during a period with greater potential to capitalize on offshoring before automation. Common thread in these events is that PRC focused on / won political victories, i.e. war is merely the continuation of politics with other means. That said politics as alternative to war still realistically involves bullying.
enaaem 5y ago
If you claim land is ancient Chinese territory, then everything you do there is just 'internal affair'.

> We have never bullied, oppressed, or subjugated the people of any other country, and we never will I'd ask a Uyghur but they're in Lake Laogai

by dcoo 5y ago

> We have never bullied, oppressed, or subjugated the people of any other country, and we never will I'd ask a Uyghur but they're in Lake Laogai

sudosysgen 5y ago

He did specify any other country.

oxymoran 5y ago
Then ask Hong Kong. Or Taiwan.
- nicebyte 5y ago
  while i agree with your sentiment, hk is not "another country" by any stretch.
- lucian1900 5y ago
  The people in HK and Taiwan overwhelmingly consider themselves to be Chinese and part of China, regardless of their opinion of the PRC.
  - brobinson 5y ago
    >people in ... Taiwan overwhelmingly consider themselves to be Chinese 2/3 of people in Taiwan identify as Taiwanese exclusively: https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/PageDoc/Detail?fid=7800&id=6961 https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/PageDoc/Detail?fid=7800&id=6961 >people in ... Taiwan overwhelmingly consider themselves to be ... part of China For those not familiar with the situation, Taiwan is the "Republic of China" as opposed to the "People's Republic of China". "China" in English is ambiguous as it could mean 中國, 中華民國, or 中華人民共和國 (usually meaning the last one nowadays). Both the ROC (中華民國) and PRC (中華人民共和國) claim to represent "China" (中國) according to their constitutions, but the PRC is the representative of "China" (中國) at the United Nations since 1971.
    - lucian1900 5y ago
      I’m just repeating what friends in Taiwan have told me. The ROC government still claims all of China after all, just like the PRC.
  - throwaway894345 5y ago
    According to the Chinese state media, or "independent" media outlets who are obligated to propagate the government narrative?
  - fvv 5y ago
    By DNA :yes , by language .. sure.. , by culture? A bit , yes .. wanting to be subjugated by current ccp regime? Absolutely not
  - hker 5y ago
    Data suggests otherwise. Majority of Hong Kong people [1] or Taiwan people [2] do not consider themselves to be Chinese. [1]: https://www.pori.hk/pop-poll/ethnic-identity-en/q001.html?lang=en https://www.pori.hk/pop-poll/ethnic-identity-en/q001.html?la... [2]: https://ipdefenseforum.com/2021/02/taiwan-poll-finds-citizens-identify-as-non-chinese/ https://ipdefenseforum.com/2021/02/taiwan-poll-finds-citizen...
  - polotics 5y ago
    Citation needed
hnxs 5y ago
Vietnam is the only one that comes to mind
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  Yes, as well as Taiwan though the second is a core definitional distinction.
- justicezyx 5y ago
  No, even in Vietnam, Deng Xiaoping stroke and then retreated immediately, followed by 2 years of border clash intentionally to be low degree. It's a punishment on Vietnam's foreign invasion into Cambodia and Thailand. You can call it a bully. But usually such behavior is more neutrally assessed.
  - hnxs 5y ago
    Retreated immediately because they lost. It was even referred to as an embarrassment internally, and directly led to modernization of the PRC military.
    - dirtyid 5y ago
      Deng intended limited attack. And the incursion was limited. >It was even referred to as an embarrassment internally The theory was Deng, new in power intentionally wanted to embarrass powerful PLA brass to consolidate power. He was successful in that regard. It embarrassed the right people, by design. >and directly led to modernization of the PRC military. PLA modernization was in response to US stomping Iraq in Gulf War later. Anemic PLA was sufficient for Vietnam if they chose to press on with campaign. Poverty navy was enough for SCS against Vietnam (the other Sino-Vietnam war). Vietnam had very little influence on PLA modernization. >because they lost Categorical success in retrospect. PRC set back Vietnam development by 10+ years, forced CPV to dump resources into defense spending while wrecking enough of the country that Vietnam missed out on FDI that went straight to modernizing PRC. Current boom in Vietnam could have happened decade+ earlier during a period with greater potential to capitalize on offshoring before automation. Common thread in these events is that PRC focused on / won political victories, i.e. war is merely the continuation of politics with other means. That said politics as alternative to war still realistically involves bullying.

enaaem 5y ago

If you claim land is ancient Chinese territory, then everything you do there is just 'internal affair'.