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Full text of Xi Jinping's speech on the CCP's 100th anniversary

56 points by chewz 5y ago

dcoo 5y ago
> We have never bullied, oppressed, or subjugated the people of any other country, and we never will I'd ask a Uyghur but they're in Lake Laogai
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  He did specify any other country.
  - oxymoran 5y ago
    Then ask Hong Kong. Or Taiwan.
    - nicebyte 5y ago
      while i agree with your sentiment, hk is not "another country" by any stretch.
    - lucian1900 5y ago
      The people in HK and Taiwan overwhelmingly consider themselves to be Chinese and part of China, regardless of their opinion of the PRC.
      - brobinson 5y ago
        >people in ... Taiwan overwhelmingly consider themselves to be Chinese 2/3 of people in Taiwan identify as Taiwanese exclusively: https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/PageDoc/Detail?fid=7800&id=6961 https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/PageDoc/Detail?fid=7800&id=6961 >people in ... Taiwan overwhelmingly consider themselves to be ... part of China For those not familiar with the situation, Taiwan is the "Republic of China" as opposed to the "People's Republic of China". "China" in English is ambiguous as it could mean 中國, 中華民國, or 中華人民共和國 (usually meaning the last one nowadays). Both the ROC (中華民國) and PRC (中華人民共和國) claim to represent "China" (中國) according to their constitutions, but the PRC is the representative of "China" (中國) at the United Nations since 1971.
        lucian1900 5y ago
        I’m just repeating what friends in Taiwan have told me. The ROC government still claims all of China after all, just like the PRC.
      - throwaway894345 5y ago
        According to the Chinese state media, or "independent" media outlets who are obligated to propagate the government narrative?
      - fvv 5y ago
        By DNA :yes , by language .. sure.. , by culture? A bit , yes .. wanting to be subjugated by current ccp regime? Absolutely not
      - hker 5y ago
        Data suggests otherwise. Majority of Hong Kong people [1] or Taiwan people [2] do not consider themselves to be Chinese. [1]: https://www.pori.hk/pop-poll/ethnic-identity-en/q001.html?lang=en https://www.pori.hk/pop-poll/ethnic-identity-en/q001.html?la... [2]: https://ipdefenseforum.com/2021/02/taiwan-poll-finds-citizens-identify-as-non-chinese/ https://ipdefenseforum.com/2021/02/taiwan-poll-finds-citizen...
      - polotics 5y ago
        Citation needed
  - hnxs 5y ago
    Vietnam is the only one that comes to mind
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      Yes, as well as Taiwan though the second is a core definitional distinction.
    - justicezyx 5y ago
      No, even in Vietnam, Deng Xiaoping stroke and then retreated immediately, followed by 2 years of border clash intentionally to be low degree. It's a punishment on Vietnam's foreign invasion into Cambodia and Thailand. You can call it a bully. But usually such behavior is more neutrally assessed.
      - hnxs 5y ago
        Retreated immediately because they lost. It was even referred to as an embarrassment internally, and directly led to modernization of the PRC military.
        dirtyid 5y ago
        Deng intended limited attack. And the incursion was limited. >It was even referred to as an embarrassment internally The theory was Deng, new in power intentionally wanted to embarrass powerful PLA brass to consolidate power. He was successful in that regard. It embarrassed the right people, by design. >and directly led to modernization of the PRC military. PLA modernization was in response to US stomping Iraq in Gulf War later. Anemic PLA was sufficient for Vietnam if they chose to press on with campaign. Poverty navy was enough for SCS against Vietnam (the other Sino-Vietnam war). Vietnam had very little influence on PLA modernization. >because they lost Categorical success in retrospect. PRC set back Vietnam development by 10+ years, forced CPV to dump resources into defense spending while wrecking enough of the country that Vietnam missed out on FDI that went straight to modernizing PRC. Current boom in Vietnam could have happened decade+ earlier during a period with greater potential to capitalize on offshoring before automation. Common thread in these events is that PRC focused on / won political victories, i.e. war is merely the continuation of politics with other means. That said politics as alternative to war still realistically involves bullying.
- enaaem 5y ago
  If you claim land is ancient Chinese territory, then everything you do there is just 'internal affair'.
temp8964 5y ago
I am glad this website, unlike many other websites and news reports, does not call him "President". In fact, he is not a president in any sense. In Chinese, he is never called a "President". He is the General Secretary of the CCP, the National Chairman of the PRC. He is NOT a President. By calling him a President, the western government and media is legitimizing a dictator. Some point out that the CCP wants him to be called as President in English, but the simple fact is that President = 总统 in Chinese, and Chairman = 主席. There is zero ambiguity here. It's just a CCP word game. If the CCP really really really want to call him as a President, try call him as 总统 in Chinese first.
- canjobear 5y ago
  Even if he were formally a President I don’t see how your last point would follow. Many dictators have had the title of President.
  - temp8964 5y ago
    Those dictators are usually (not all) from countries where they have fake election, and they are called President in their country. China does not even have a fake election for a fake President.
- Erlangen 5y ago
  The page does call him president in the photo description, "Chinese President Xi Jinping delivers his speech in Beijing on Thursday. " > He is NOT a President. The English of version gov.cn, names him as president rather than chairman. http://english1.english.gov.cn/2013-03/14/content_2353971.htm http://english1.english.gov.cn/2013-03/14/content_2353971.ht...
  - mytailorisrich 5y ago
    He is formally President of the People's Republic of China. He is also Chairman of the Central Military Commission, though my understanding is that these go hand in hand. He is also General Secretary of the Communist Party, so in the the context of the speech I suppose that this may be the most fitting title. Edit: In response to temp8964 (reply to this comment): What's the difference between Chairman and President in your translation of that title? I understand that 主席 often (always?) refers to committees, etc, which may be translated as 'chairman' because of that. But really the difference between 'president' and 'chairman' is etymology and usage rather than strict definition, like is often the case in English: 2 words meaning the same thing with one of Latin/French origin and 'posher' and one of Anglo-Saxon origin. A chairman presides. A president presides. The usage seems to be that a chairman presides a committee and that a president presides a government. Does he want to be be called president? Or was it decided that this was a better contextual translation? This is arguing over nothing, really. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_People's_Repu...
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throwaway4good 5y ago
The quote that is making headlines around the world is this: "We Chinese are a people who uphold justice and are not intimidated by threats of force. As a nation, we have a strong sense of pride and confidence. We have never bullied, oppressed, or subjugated the people of any other country, and we never will. By the same token, we will never allow any foreign force to bully, oppress, or subjugate us. Anyone who would attempt to do so will find themselves on a collision course with a great wall of steel forged by over 1.4 billion Chinese people." Eg. at: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/01/china/ccp-100-beijing-china-xi-celebration-intl-hnk/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/01/china/ccp-100-beijing-chi... Foreign countries that 'bully' China will meet a 'great wall of steel,' says Xi during Communist Party centenary
- mytailorisrich 5y ago
  This is to be taken in a historical context. China has indeed been bullied, oppressed, and subjugated by foreign forces in the recent past. That's has been key in Chinese politics over the last century. He is sending the message that this is not to happen again and that China is now strong enough to defend itself and to assert its own interests. This is neither an aggressive nor controversial statement, really. I don't know any country that's happy to be bullied or oppressed.
jackbravo 5y ago
Funny, in the same media outlet there are two different translations of the same speech. Emphasis mine: The first one: ...we will never allow any foreign force to bully, oppress, or subjugate us. Anyone who would attempt to do so will __find themselves on a collision course__ with a great wall of steel forged by over 1.4 billion Chinese people. The second one (https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Xi-vows-to-crush-meddling-forces-and-Taiwan-independence-attempts https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Xi-vows-to-crush-meddling-f...): the Chinese people will never allow any outside forces to bully, oppress or enslave us. Anyone who tries to do so will __be crushed to death before__ the Great Wall of steel built with the flesh and blood of over 1.4 billion Chinese people.
- throwaway4good 5y ago
  Apparantly there are two "official" translations - one with the crushed to death added and one without. The full quote is: "We Chinese are a people who uphold justice and are not intimidated by threats of force. As a nation, we have a strong sense of pride and confidence. We have never bullied, oppressed, or subjugated the people of any other country, and we never will. By the same token, we will never allow any foreign force to bully, oppress, or subjugate us. Anyone who would attempt to do so will find themselves on a collision course with a great wall of steel forged by over 1.4 billion Chinese people." With the context added, it is a bit more boring.
  - throwaway4good 5y ago
    Sorry the "crushed to death" was never in an official translation. But comes from various news outlets like CNN: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/01/china/ccp-100-beijing-china-xi-celebration-intl-hnk/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/01/china/ccp-100-beijing-chi... "Anyone who dares to try, will find their heads bashed bloody against a great wall of steel forged by over 1.4 billion Chinese people," added Xi, in comments that later appeared to be softened in the government's own English language translation.
  - Zababa 5y ago
    > We have never bullied, oppressed, or subjugated the people of any other country, and we never will. Isn't bullying one of their prefered tactics? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurting_the_feelings_of_the_Chinese_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurting_the_feelings_of_the_Ch...
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Noumenon72 5y ago
> Following the Party's 18th National Congress, socialism with Chinese characteristics entered a new era. That was in 2012. Maybe Xi is OK, but this just makes me think that if one person ever gets hold of that system in a totalitarian way, he'll have 1/6 of the world to control. It could happen any time.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  It's very difficult to actually do so. Even Stalin had to compromise and mainly remained in power by carefully choosing which factions to favour rather than overtly imposing his will, and even then he was paranoid of getting assassinated despite pretty broad support in his party. I doubt anyone will be able to unilaterally control the CCP. For Xi to get where he was and to stay where he is, a gigantic faction in the CCP had to support his platform, and he largely relies on them to confirm him every four years. For example, the survival of Xi Jinping was arguably crucially because of the non-reformist factions retaining sufficient control over the universities to preserve, with much compromise, Marxist ideology. Had the curriculum swung harder in the liberal direction, Xi probably wouldn't have been able to gain power.
  - throwawaysea 5y ago
    Is that need for confirmation still true after the removal of term limits? I saw that as essentially instilling him as dictator and turning the process into a mere formality for appearances but maybe that’s just my ignorant take. I’m not deeply familiar with the inner workings and organization of the CCP. Any leads on how best to learn more?
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oxymoran 5y ago
I’m so glad that they “ended abject poverty”. He failed to mention it was via forced labor though
- ericls 5y ago
  It’s not ended.
- justicezyx 5y ago
  > He failed to mention it was via forced labor though Except the "Xinjiang forced labor", are there other claims of forced labor in the poverty elimination campaign? I am just curious about the media report landscape, since I have not seen anything other than Xinjiang reports.
  - hkmaxpro 5y ago
    Many Chinese nationals were trafficked or otherwise forced to work in Southeast Asia and elsewhere [0]. They had their passports confiscated by the Chinese companies they worked for. It was also occasionally reported in the media [1][2][3]. [0] https://chinalaborwatch.org/silent-victims-of-labor-trafficking-chinas-belt-and-road-workers-stranded-overseas-amid-covid-19-pandemic/ https://chinalaborwatch.org/silent-victims-of-labor-traffick... [1] https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/long-reads/article/3051344/sihanoukville-cambodian-magnet-chinese-casinos https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/long-reads/arti... [2] https://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/investigative/life-chinese-online-gambling-workers-manila https://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/investigative/life-chinese... [3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/china-labor-belt-road-covid/2021/04/30/f110e8de-9cd4-11eb-b2f5-7d2f0182750d_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/china-labo...
dirtyid 5y ago
Hits all the right points, but the man is a terrible orator.
- justicezyx 5y ago
  Imagine how bad it would be, if he is as good as Hitler...
  - dirtyid 5y ago
    Blessing in disguise in retrospect. Too boring to televise outside of PRC.
hker 5y ago
If history is any indication... reminds me of the speech of Deng Xiaoping at the U.N. General Assembly in 1974 [1]. "If one day China should change her colour and turn into a superpower, if she too should play the tyrant in the world, and everywhere subject others to her bullying, aggression and exploitation, the people of the world should identify her as social-imperialism, expose it, oppose it and work together with the Chinese people to overthrow it." -- Deng Xiaoping, 10 April, 1974. [1]: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/deng-xiaoping/1974/04/10.htm https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/deng-xiaoping/197...
dang 5y ago
This is obviously off topic for HN. Accounts that post like this eventually lose submission privileges, so please don't. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- likecarter 5y ago
  “What to submit. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity” I don’t see what the issue is.
  - dang 5y ago
    Obviously, intellectual curiosity can take an interest in almost anything, if not literally anything. But the odds that a communist party leader's speech is going to lead to an intellectually curious discussion from the front page of Hacker News are statistically zero. What we're sure to get is just another tedious ideological and nationalistic flamewar. Curiosity—as the site guidelines point out (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) will just get trampled. I'm sure it would be possible to write a super interesting analysis of a document like this - for example, how it differs from speeches in previous periods, how it fits into the history of political propaganda, one could go on - but a large, anonymous internet forum is unfortunately not the medium for that. Any interesting and original commentary will be quickly be drowned out by flames, and indeed get set on fire in its own right by the numerous population who are interested only in loudly repeating what they already think and feel. To get a curious conversation about something like this would require barriers to entry that, for better or worse, HN doesn't have.
    - dragonwriter 5y ago
      > I'm sure it would be possible to write a super interesting analysis of a document like this Which would be a much better thing than the text itself for HN. Though, given past experience with the topic, still likely to devolve into nationalistic flamewar.
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dnqthao 5y ago
We have heard words like that before: "That I love peace appears perhaps most clearly from my work: in that lies the difference between me and these war-mongers....And how many of these works will need ten or twenty years before they are completed! I have then good reason enough to wish for peace. But these agitators have no use for peace; since they create nothing for peace, they are not working for peace." - Adolf Hitler May 1, 1939

56 points by chewz 5y ago

dcoo 5y ago

> We have never bullied, oppressed, or subjugated the people of any other country, and we never will I'd ask a Uyghur but they're in Lake Laogai

sudosysgen 5y ago
He did specify any other country.
- oxymoran 5y ago
  Then ask Hong Kong. Or Taiwan.
  - nicebyte 5y ago
    while i agree with your sentiment, hk is not "another country" by any stretch.
  - lucian1900 5y ago
    The people in HK and Taiwan overwhelmingly consider themselves to be Chinese and part of China, regardless of their opinion of the PRC.
    - brobinson 5y ago
      >people in ... Taiwan overwhelmingly consider themselves to be Chinese 2/3 of people in Taiwan identify as Taiwanese exclusively: https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/PageDoc/Detail?fid=7800&id=6961 https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/PageDoc/Detail?fid=7800&id=6961 >people in ... Taiwan overwhelmingly consider themselves to be ... part of China For those not familiar with the situation, Taiwan is the "Republic of China" as opposed to the "People's Republic of China". "China" in English is ambiguous as it could mean 中國, 中華民國, or 中華人民共和國 (usually meaning the last one nowadays). Both the ROC (中華民國) and PRC (中華人民共和國) claim to represent "China" (中國) according to their constitutions, but the PRC is the representative of "China" (中國) at the United Nations since 1971.
      - lucian1900 5y ago
        I’m just repeating what friends in Taiwan have told me. The ROC government still claims all of China after all, just like the PRC.
    - throwaway894345 5y ago
      According to the Chinese state media, or "independent" media outlets who are obligated to propagate the government narrative?
    - fvv 5y ago
      By DNA :yes , by language .. sure.. , by culture? A bit , yes .. wanting to be subjugated by current ccp regime? Absolutely not
    - hker 5y ago
      Data suggests otherwise. Majority of Hong Kong people [1] or Taiwan people [2] do not consider themselves to be Chinese. [1]: https://www.pori.hk/pop-poll/ethnic-identity-en/q001.html?lang=en https://www.pori.hk/pop-poll/ethnic-identity-en/q001.html?la... [2]: https://ipdefenseforum.com/2021/02/taiwan-poll-finds-citizens-identify-as-non-chinese/ https://ipdefenseforum.com/2021/02/taiwan-poll-finds-citizen...
    - polotics 5y ago
      Citation needed
- hnxs 5y ago
  Vietnam is the only one that comes to mind
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    Yes, as well as Taiwan though the second is a core definitional distinction.
  - justicezyx 5y ago
    No, even in Vietnam, Deng Xiaoping stroke and then retreated immediately, followed by 2 years of border clash intentionally to be low degree. It's a punishment on Vietnam's foreign invasion into Cambodia and Thailand. You can call it a bully. But usually such behavior is more neutrally assessed.
    - hnxs 5y ago
      Retreated immediately because they lost. It was even referred to as an embarrassment internally, and directly led to modernization of the PRC military.
      - dirtyid 5y ago
        Deng intended limited attack. And the incursion was limited. >It was even referred to as an embarrassment internally The theory was Deng, new in power intentionally wanted to embarrass powerful PLA brass to consolidate power. He was successful in that regard. It embarrassed the right people, by design. >and directly led to modernization of the PRC military. PLA modernization was in response to US stomping Iraq in Gulf War later. Anemic PLA was sufficient for Vietnam if they chose to press on with campaign. Poverty navy was enough for SCS against Vietnam (the other Sino-Vietnam war). Vietnam had very little influence on PLA modernization. >because they lost Categorical success in retrospect. PRC set back Vietnam development by 10+ years, forced CPV to dump resources into defense spending while wrecking enough of the country that Vietnam missed out on FDI that went straight to modernizing PRC. Current boom in Vietnam could have happened decade+ earlier during a period with greater potential to capitalize on offshoring before automation. Common thread in these events is that PRC focused on / won political victories, i.e. war is merely the continuation of politics with other means. That said politics as alternative to war still realistically involves bullying.
enaaem 5y ago
If you claim land is ancient Chinese territory, then everything you do there is just 'internal affair'.

temp8964 5y ago

I am glad this website, unlike many other websites and news reports, does not call him "President". In fact, he is not a president in any sense. In Chinese, he is never called a "President". He is the General Secretary of the CCP, the National Chairman of the PRC. He is NOT a President. By calling him a President, the western government and media is legitimizing a dictator. Some point out that the CCP wants him to be called as President in English, but the simple fact is that President = 总统 in Chinese, and Chairman = 主席. There is zero ambiguity here. It's just a CCP word game. If the CCP really really really want to call him as a President, try call him as 总统 in Chinese first.

canjobear 5y ago
Even if he were formally a President I don’t see how your last point would follow. Many dictators have had the title of President.
- temp8964 5y ago
  Those dictators are usually (not all) from countries where they have fake election, and they are called President in their country. China does not even have a fake election for a fake President.
Erlangen 5y ago
The page does call him president in the photo description, "Chinese President Xi Jinping delivers his speech in Beijing on Thursday. " > He is NOT a President. The English of version gov.cn, names him as president rather than chairman. http://english1.english.gov.cn/2013-03/14/content_2353971.htm http://english1.english.gov.cn/2013-03/14/content_2353971.ht...
- mytailorisrich 5y ago
  He is formally President of the People's Republic of China. He is also Chairman of the Central Military Commission, though my understanding is that these go hand in hand. He is also General Secretary of the Communist Party, so in the the context of the speech I suppose that this may be the most fitting title. Edit: In response to temp8964 (reply to this comment): What's the difference between Chairman and President in your translation of that title? I understand that 主席 often (always?) refers to committees, etc, which may be translated as 'chairman' because of that. But really the difference between 'president' and 'chairman' is etymology and usage rather than strict definition, like is often the case in English: 2 words meaning the same thing with one of Latin/French origin and 'posher' and one of Anglo-Saxon origin. A chairman presides. A president presides. The usage seems to be that a chairman presides a committee and that a president presides a government. Does he want to be be called president? Or was it decided that this was a better contextual translation? This is arguing over nothing, really. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_People's_Repu...

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throwaway4good 5y ago

The quote that is making headlines around the world is this: "We Chinese are a people who uphold justice and are not intimidated by threats of force. As a nation, we have a strong sense of pride and confidence. We have never bullied, oppressed, or subjugated the people of any other country, and we never will. By the same token, we will never allow any foreign force to bully, oppress, or subjugate us. Anyone who would attempt to do so will find themselves on a collision course with a great wall of steel forged by over 1.4 billion Chinese people." Eg. at: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/01/china/ccp-100-beijing-china-xi-celebration-intl-hnk/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/01/china/ccp-100-beijing-chi... Foreign countries that 'bully' China will meet a 'great wall of steel,' says Xi during Communist Party centenary

mytailorisrich 5y ago
This is to be taken in a historical context. China has indeed been bullied, oppressed, and subjugated by foreign forces in the recent past. That's has been key in Chinese politics over the last century. He is sending the message that this is not to happen again and that China is now strong enough to defend itself and to assert its own interests. This is neither an aggressive nor controversial statement, really. I don't know any country that's happy to be bullied or oppressed.

jackbravo 5y ago

Funny, in the same media outlet there are two different translations of the same speech. Emphasis mine: The first one: ...we will never allow any foreign force to bully, oppress, or subjugate us. Anyone who would attempt to do so will __find themselves on a collision course__ with a great wall of steel forged by over 1.4 billion Chinese people. The second one (https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Xi-vows-to-crush-meddling-forces-and-Taiwan-independence-attempts https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Xi-vows-to-crush-meddling-f...): the Chinese people will never allow any outside forces to bully, oppress or enslave us. Anyone who tries to do so will __be crushed to death before__ the Great Wall of steel built with the flesh and blood of over 1.4 billion Chinese people.

throwaway4good 5y ago
Apparantly there are two "official" translations - one with the crushed to death added and one without. The full quote is: "We Chinese are a people who uphold justice and are not intimidated by threats of force. As a nation, we have a strong sense of pride and confidence. We have never bullied, oppressed, or subjugated the people of any other country, and we never will. By the same token, we will never allow any foreign force to bully, oppress, or subjugate us. Anyone who would attempt to do so will find themselves on a collision course with a great wall of steel forged by over 1.4 billion Chinese people." With the context added, it is a bit more boring.
- throwaway4good 5y ago
  Sorry the "crushed to death" was never in an official translation. But comes from various news outlets like CNN: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/01/china/ccp-100-beijing-china-xi-celebration-intl-hnk/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/01/china/ccp-100-beijing-chi... "Anyone who dares to try, will find their heads bashed bloody against a great wall of steel forged by over 1.4 billion Chinese people," added Xi, in comments that later appeared to be softened in the government's own English language translation.
- Zababa 5y ago
  > We have never bullied, oppressed, or subjugated the people of any other country, and we never will. Isn't bullying one of their prefered tactics? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurting_the_feelings_of_the_Chinese_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurting_the_feelings_of_the_Ch...

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Noumenon72 5y ago

> Following the Party's 18th National Congress, socialism with Chinese characteristics entered a new era. That was in 2012. Maybe Xi is OK, but this just makes me think that if one person ever gets hold of that system in a totalitarian way, he'll have 1/6 of the world to control. It could happen any time.

sudosysgen 5y ago
It's very difficult to actually do so. Even Stalin had to compromise and mainly remained in power by carefully choosing which factions to favour rather than overtly imposing his will, and even then he was paranoid of getting assassinated despite pretty broad support in his party. I doubt anyone will be able to unilaterally control the CCP. For Xi to get where he was and to stay where he is, a gigantic faction in the CCP had to support his platform, and he largely relies on them to confirm him every four years. For example, the survival of Xi Jinping was arguably crucially because of the non-reformist factions retaining sufficient control over the universities to preserve, with much compromise, Marxist ideology. Had the curriculum swung harder in the liberal direction, Xi probably wouldn't have been able to gain power.
- throwawaysea 5y ago
  Is that need for confirmation still true after the removal of term limits? I saw that as essentially instilling him as dictator and turning the process into a mere formality for appearances but maybe that’s just my ignorant take. I’m not deeply familiar with the inner workings and organization of the CCP. Any leads on how best to learn more?
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oxymoran 5y ago

I’m so glad that they “ended abject poverty”. He failed to mention it was via forced labor though

ericls 5y ago
It’s not ended.
justicezyx 5y ago
> He failed to mention it was via forced labor though Except the "Xinjiang forced labor", are there other claims of forced labor in the poverty elimination campaign? I am just curious about the media report landscape, since I have not seen anything other than Xinjiang reports.
- hkmaxpro 5y ago
  Many Chinese nationals were trafficked or otherwise forced to work in Southeast Asia and elsewhere [0]. They had their passports confiscated by the Chinese companies they worked for. It was also occasionally reported in the media [1][2][3]. [0] https://chinalaborwatch.org/silent-victims-of-labor-trafficking-chinas-belt-and-road-workers-stranded-overseas-amid-covid-19-pandemic/ https://chinalaborwatch.org/silent-victims-of-labor-traffick... [1] https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/long-reads/article/3051344/sihanoukville-cambodian-magnet-chinese-casinos https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/long-reads/arti... [2] https://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/investigative/life-chinese-online-gambling-workers-manila https://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/investigative/life-chinese... [3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/china-labor-belt-road-covid/2021/04/30/f110e8de-9cd4-11eb-b2f5-7d2f0182750d_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/china-labo...

dirtyid 5y ago

Hits all the right points, but the man is a terrible orator.

justicezyx 5y ago
Imagine how bad it would be, if he is as good as Hitler...
- dirtyid 5y ago
  Blessing in disguise in retrospect. Too boring to televise outside of PRC.

hker 5y ago

If history is any indication... reminds me of the speech of Deng Xiaoping at the U.N. General Assembly in 1974 [1]. "If one day China should change her colour and turn into a superpower, if she too should play the tyrant in the world, and everywhere subject others to her bullying, aggression and exploitation, the people of the world should identify her as social-imperialism, expose it, oppose it and work together with the Chinese people to overthrow it." -- Deng Xiaoping, 10 April, 1974. [1]: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/deng-xiaoping/1974/04/10.htm https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/deng-xiaoping/197...

dang 5y ago

This is obviously off topic for HN. Accounts that post like this eventually lose submission privileges, so please don't. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

likecarter 5y ago
“What to submit. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity” I don’t see what the issue is.
- dang 5y ago
  Obviously, intellectual curiosity can take an interest in almost anything, if not literally anything. But the odds that a communist party leader's speech is going to lead to an intellectually curious discussion from the front page of Hacker News are statistically zero. What we're sure to get is just another tedious ideological and nationalistic flamewar. Curiosity—as the site guidelines point out (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) will just get trampled. I'm sure it would be possible to write a super interesting analysis of a document like this - for example, how it differs from speeches in previous periods, how it fits into the history of political propaganda, one could go on - but a large, anonymous internet forum is unfortunately not the medium for that. Any interesting and original commentary will be quickly be drowned out by flames, and indeed get set on fire in its own right by the numerous population who are interested only in loudly repeating what they already think and feel. To get a curious conversation about something like this would require barriers to entry that, for better or worse, HN doesn't have.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > I'm sure it would be possible to write a super interesting analysis of a document like this Which would be a much better thing than the text itself for HN. Though, given past experience with the topic, still likely to devolve into nationalistic flamewar.
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dnqthao 5y ago

We have heard words like that before: "That I love peace appears perhaps most clearly from my work: in that lies the difference between me and these war-mongers....And how many of these works will need ten or twenty years before they are completed! I have then good reason enough to wish for peace. But these agitators have no use for peace; since they create nothing for peace, they are not working for peace." - Adolf Hitler May 1, 1939