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By keep up I mean in terms of standards. Edge was always usable, but you'll always get second-grade experience if apps switch to the "fallback mode" on your br

by slver 5y ago

By keep up I mean in terms of standards. Edge was always usable, but you'll always get second-grade experience if apps switch to the "fallback mode" on your browser. Google is playing this game of quickly introducing standards they're already implementing in Chrome, and choking out the competition. And it worked with Microsoft. Worked with Opera. Firefox is last man standing.

jsnell 5y ago
The usage of Safari is 3-5x that of Firefox.
- dmitriid 5y ago
  Safari and Firefox are increasingly on the same page and flat out refuse to implement Chrome's non-standards (see, e.g. https://webapicontroversy.com https://webapicontroversy.com). It's Safari and Firefox as the last competing browsers standing, and Firefox is increasingly irrelevant. Whatever your opinion of Safari is, soon it will be the only browser trying to resist Chrome. And judging by the amount of new "standards" Chrome ships enabled by default with each release, Google couldn't care less about Safari either.
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    Safari does it, because otherwise Apple would lose on the store front, and Chrome adoption has literally turned the Web into ChromeOS anyway. Firefox doesn't come with OS and hardware to keep it around.
    - slver 5y ago
      Google is interested in eliminating native applications in favor of web apps that it can control by providing analytics, SEO, ads, and so on. So they're very aggressive to introducing "app-like" APIs to Chrome even often at the expensive of user experience, performance and security. As you said, their very goal is turning the web into ChromeOS. And the web is everywhere. Honestly, that's NOT a good thing for the future of either the web or applications.
      - pjmlp 5y ago
        Here, https://www.chromium.org/teams/web-capabilities-fugu https://www.chromium.org/teams/web-capabilities-fugu and their PWA partner, https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/progressive-web-apps-chromium/ https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/progressive-... https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2021/06/24/building-a-new-open-microsoft-store-on-windows-11/ https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2021/06/24/build...

by slver 5y ago

jsnell 5y ago

The usage of Safari is 3-5x that of Firefox.

dmitriid 5y ago
Safari and Firefox are increasingly on the same page and flat out refuse to implement Chrome's non-standards (see, e.g. https://webapicontroversy.com https://webapicontroversy.com). It's Safari and Firefox as the last competing browsers standing, and Firefox is increasingly irrelevant. Whatever your opinion of Safari is, soon it will be the only browser trying to resist Chrome. And judging by the amount of new "standards" Chrome ships enabled by default with each release, Google couldn't care less about Safari either.
- pjmlp 5y ago
  Safari does it, because otherwise Apple would lose on the store front, and Chrome adoption has literally turned the Web into ChromeOS anyway. Firefox doesn't come with OS and hardware to keep it around.
  - slver 5y ago
    Google is interested in eliminating native applications in favor of web apps that it can control by providing analytics, SEO, ads, and so on. So they're very aggressive to introducing "app-like" APIs to Chrome even often at the expensive of user experience, performance and security. As you said, their very goal is turning the web into ChromeOS. And the web is everywhere. Honestly, that's NOT a good thing for the future of either the web or applications.
    - pjmlp 5y ago
      Here, https://www.chromium.org/teams/web-capabilities-fugu https://www.chromium.org/teams/web-capabilities-fugu and their PWA partner, https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/progressive-web-apps-chromium/ https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/progressive-... https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2021/06/24/building-a-new-open-microsoft-store-on-windows-11/ https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2021/06/24/build...