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WTF?? All the time - it's about humans! We're not the only species on this planet! We don't exist in a vacuum - there is such a thing as an ecological network!

WTF?? All the time - it's about humans! We're not the only species on this planet! We don't exist in a vacuum - there is such a thing as an ecological network! What's the fallout for everything else? How many mammals, birds, reptiles, insects died in the recent heatwave? How will this shape ecosystems and biomes? This kind of thinking is part of the problem...

lm28469 5y ago
Looks like we don't even care about our own future, we're sadly a long way from what you're suggesting
frosted-flakes 5y ago
Of course it's about humans. It's always about humans. It happens to be advantageous for us to maintain healthy ecosystems and biomes, but without humans, those things have no meaning. If a dog or a dangerous wild animal attacks an innocent human child, the point-of-view of the dog or wild animal is never considered, even if it acted in self-defense; it is automatically at fault, and destroyed or relocated to prevent further injury. This is the same approach that we as a species treat everything, for good reason. We've come to recognize that we need the rest of nature and now try in some way to preserve it (not enough in my opinion), but don't forget that we do so for selfish reasons.
- ostenning 5y ago
  Doesn’t mean it needs to continue. I think the point is our disregard for anything else but ourselves is what got us into this mess. Arguably it is the key to getting us out of this mess. Having empathy with all living things, no matter their perceived importance is one of the most noble pursuits I can think of… One issue we have is a lack of transparency on the things we consume, now that would be a real eye opener for people.
  - nescioquid 5y ago
    If our species survives, this sentiment may become more widespread. If we have to wait for this sentiment to become more common before we, as a species, do anything about climate change, we will be doomed. One might have thought that a healthy regard for one's own descendants would have provided the motivation to address climate change.
canadianfella 5y ago
Animals die every day. That’s just what they do. Don’t get so worked up about it.
fractallyte 5y ago
So, downvoted? The 'Anthropocene' is not just an era of stupidity or ignorance. It's disgusting arrogance. Here is the first definition of hubris I found: "(in Greek tragedy) excessive pride towards or defiance of the gods, leading to nemesis."

lm28469 5y ago

Looks like we don't even care about our own future, we're sadly a long way from what you're suggesting

frosted-flakes 5y ago

Of course it's about humans. It's always about humans. It happens to be advantageous for us to maintain healthy ecosystems and biomes, but without humans, those things have no meaning. If a dog or a dangerous wild animal attacks an innocent human child, the point-of-view of the dog or wild animal is never considered, even if it acted in self-defense; it is automatically at fault, and destroyed or relocated to prevent further injury. This is the same approach that we as a species treat everything, for good reason. We've come to recognize that we need the rest of nature and now try in some way to preserve it (not enough in my opinion), but don't forget that we do so for selfish reasons.

ostenning 5y ago
Doesn’t mean it needs to continue. I think the point is our disregard for anything else but ourselves is what got us into this mess. Arguably it is the key to getting us out of this mess. Having empathy with all living things, no matter their perceived importance is one of the most noble pursuits I can think of… One issue we have is a lack of transparency on the things we consume, now that would be a real eye opener for people.
- nescioquid 5y ago
  If our species survives, this sentiment may become more widespread. If we have to wait for this sentiment to become more common before we, as a species, do anything about climate change, we will be doomed. One might have thought that a healthy regard for one's own descendants would have provided the motivation to address climate change.

canadianfella 5y ago

Animals die every day. That’s just what they do. Don’t get so worked up about it.

fractallyte 5y ago

So, downvoted? The 'Anthropocene' is not just an era of stupidity or ignorance. It's disgusting arrogance. Here is the first definition of hubris I found: "(in Greek tragedy) excessive pride towards or defiance of the gods, leading to nemesis."