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I'm sympathetic to the author but I don't see anything in this very long article about how this "ruined her life"

by only_as_i_fall 5y ago

_vertigo 5y ago
She checked into a hospital because she was considering suicide..
- xdennis 5y ago
  Possibly. But you can't trust everything you read on the internet.
- e40 5y ago
  And removed her other stories from the publication queue.
  - only_as_i_fall 5y ago
    Do you consider the following claims to be equivalent then? "author chooses not to publish more stories following criticism" And "Woman's life ruined by internet mob"
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- only_as_i_fall 5y ago
  Sure, but would a stable healthy person contemplate killing themselves because of negative feedback from strangers? Moreover, she didn't kill herself so I fail to see how being in a mental hospital for a few weeks ruins your life? I'm not saying it's a good thing that happened to her, but I am saying that clearly it didn't ruin her life and the hyperbole demonstrated in the article is harmful to discussions about cancel culture.
  - devindotcom 5y ago
    Sometimes it's better to accept that someone's lived experience is more accurate than your assessment of it from an article you just read. Your comment comes across as extremely callous and insensitive towards someone who is sharing their feelings of pain and loss.
    - only_as_i_fall 5y ago
      Is Isabel fall even claiming that this ruined her life? Seems like clear case of sensationalism on the part of either the author of the article or Vox You might have a point if Fall wrote this, but she didn't and you dont because this literally isn't her "lived experience"
      - devindotcom 5y ago
        "The story was withdrawn to avoid my death," she says. It is not sensationalism, she was nearly driven to suicide. She is not obligated to summarize her trauma into bullet points for you so it meets your requirements for being described using certain words. Just consider empathizing rather than antagonizing as a first response to something you personally don't understand or agree with.
        only_as_i_fall 5y ago
        I empathize but I just don't like the narrative here where it's all the internet fault and cancel culture has gone too far or whatever. If you tell someone they're ugly you're a dick and if you tell someone they're ugly and they go home and shoot themselves you're still a dick but you're certainly not responsible for their death. Apparently we aren't mature enough to have a discussion about reasonably expected consequences here though.
  - zozbot234 5y ago
    This wasn't just "negative feedback" from strangers. It was vicious hate from people claiming to be speaking for her own community - complete with crude misgendering, and accusations of being a Nazi based solely on misreading her frickin' birthdate as some sort of super secret sign. Talking about "but, but what would a stable healthy person do???" is just outrageous victim-blaming at that point.
TMWNN 5y ago
>They still destroyed a woman’s life. >After she checked out of the hospital, Isabel Fall ceased to be Isabel Fall. “I had a few other stories in the works on similar themes, and I withdrew them; that is the most concrete thing I can say that I stopped doing,” Fall says. “More abstractly, more emotionally, I have stopped trying to believe I am a woman or to work towards womanness. If other people want to put markings on my gender-sphere and decide what I am, fine, let them. It’s not worth fighting.” >Isabel Fall was on a path to living as an out trans woman with a career writing science fiction, and now, she says, there will be no more Isabel Fall stories. She is done writing under that name, and she now considers “Isabel Fall” an impossible goal to achieve, a person she will never be. And the conclusion: >“Isabel was somebody I often wanted to be, but not someone I succeeded at being,” she says. “I think the reaction to the story proves that I can’t be her, or shouldn’t be her, or at least won’t ever be her. Everyone knew I was a fraud, right away.”

I'm sympathetic to the author but I don't see anything in this very long article about how this "ruined her life"

_vertigo 5y ago

She checked into a hospital because she was considering suicide..

xdennis 5y ago
Possibly. But you can't trust everything you read on the internet.
e40 5y ago
And removed her other stories from the publication queue.
- only_as_i_fall 5y ago
  Do you consider the following claims to be equivalent then? "author chooses not to publish more stories following criticism" And "Woman's life ruined by internet mob"
  - deleted 5y ago
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only_as_i_fall 5y ago
Sure, but would a stable healthy person contemplate killing themselves because of negative feedback from strangers? Moreover, she didn't kill herself so I fail to see how being in a mental hospital for a few weeks ruins your life? I'm not saying it's a good thing that happened to her, but I am saying that clearly it didn't ruin her life and the hyperbole demonstrated in the article is harmful to discussions about cancel culture.
- devindotcom 5y ago
  Sometimes it's better to accept that someone's lived experience is more accurate than your assessment of it from an article you just read. Your comment comes across as extremely callous and insensitive towards someone who is sharing their feelings of pain and loss.
  - only_as_i_fall 5y ago
    Is Isabel fall even claiming that this ruined her life? Seems like clear case of sensationalism on the part of either the author of the article or Vox You might have a point if Fall wrote this, but she didn't and you dont because this literally isn't her "lived experience"
    - devindotcom 5y ago
      "The story was withdrawn to avoid my death," she says. It is not sensationalism, she was nearly driven to suicide. She is not obligated to summarize her trauma into bullet points for you so it meets your requirements for being described using certain words. Just consider empathizing rather than antagonizing as a first response to something you personally don't understand or agree with.
      - only_as_i_fall 5y ago
        I empathize but I just don't like the narrative here where it's all the internet fault and cancel culture has gone too far or whatever. If you tell someone they're ugly you're a dick and if you tell someone they're ugly and they go home and shoot themselves you're still a dick but you're certainly not responsible for their death. Apparently we aren't mature enough to have a discussion about reasonably expected consequences here though.
- zozbot234 5y ago
  This wasn't just "negative feedback" from strangers. It was vicious hate from people claiming to be speaking for her own community - complete with crude misgendering, and accusations of being a Nazi based solely on misreading her frickin' birthdate as some sort of super secret sign. Talking about "but, but what would a stable healthy person do???" is just outrageous victim-blaming at that point.

TMWNN 5y ago

>They still destroyed a woman’s life. >After she checked out of the hospital, Isabel Fall ceased to be Isabel Fall. “I had a few other stories in the works on similar themes, and I withdrew them; that is the most concrete thing I can say that I stopped doing,” Fall says. “More abstractly, more emotionally, I have stopped trying to believe I am a woman or to work towards womanness. If other people want to put markings on my gender-sphere and decide what I am, fine, let them. It’s not worth fighting.” >Isabel Fall was on a path to living as an out trans woman with a career writing science fiction, and now, she says, there will be no more Isabel Fall stories. She is done writing under that name, and she now considers “Isabel Fall” an impossible goal to achieve, a person she will never be. And the conclusion: >“Isabel was somebody I often wanted to be, but not someone I succeeded at being,” she says. “I think the reaction to the story proves that I can’t be her, or shouldn’t be her, or at least won’t ever be her. Everyone knew I was a fraud, right away.”