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It seems to me that it is a purely propaganda that these things are mutually exclusive. Like how all smartphone manufacturers had phones that were fine with rem

It seems to me that it is a purely propaganda that these things are mutually exclusive. Like how all smartphone manufacturers had phones that were fine with removable batteries, but then suddenly that was gone from literally every brand in the world because it is so powerful for planned obsolescence

jrkfkgmfmr 5y ago
Funny how I was replacing my old phones with replaceable batteries every year, yet I am replacing the newer ones with non replaceable ones only every 3, 4 years. Hint: it's not the non-replacable battery why people upgrade phones.
- ajkdhcb2 5y ago
  Opposite for me, I still hold onto my old phone with replaceable battery for when my new phone dies and i cant swap in a fresh one. Still works after 7+ years
crazygringo 5y ago
People want thin phones. A non-removable battery allows for thinness you simply cannot get otherwise. And while you can argue about whether thin laptops are necessary, for people who carry their phones in their pants pockets, an extra couple millimeters gone is genuinely a meaningful difference. There's no propaganda there.
- ajkdhcb2 5y ago
  >A non-removable battery allows for thinness you simply cannot get otherwise. I doubted this so I looked up dimensions. Samsung Galaxy S6 from 2015 is 6.8mm thick, with removable battery. S10 from 2019 is 7.8mm thick. So your theory doesn't seem to match reality.
  - crazygringo 5y ago
    Wikipedia says the S6 did not have a user-replaceable battery: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S6#Battery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S6#Battery In any case, it's apples-to-oranges and doesn't mean anything. Cell phones can have functionality added that takes up the difference in thickness -- e.g. keeping the phone the same thickness instead of it getting even thicker. But main point is, they're thinner basically by definition. There are necessarily more layers of materials.
    - ajkdhcb2 5y ago
      Oh yeah seems I saw an incorrect site, S5 was the last one with removable battery. Of course there are some tradeoffs but it just doesn't seem so significant that EVERY brand refuses to offer even one model with a removable battery. There are definitely some people that want it despite the tradeoffs. As other commenters said, people have huge phones now and use cases. So I think manufacturers have a special interest in maintaining the situation for planned obsolescence.
      - crazygringo 5y ago
        I don't think it has anything to do with planned obsolescence. I've had an iPhone battery replaced 3 times now. It's not a big deal to have the store do it for me, nor is it that expensive. The bigger use case for swappable batteries is to have a spare, but these days people just carry an external battery pack with them that's the capacity they need, which is far more flexible (hold 10 full charges if you need, not just 1!) as well as not tied to any particular model. So I just don't see any special interest -- it's just giving people the thinness they want.
- mnouquet 5y ago
  > People want thin phones [Citation needed] My "thin" phone double in volume with the require case, so "thinness" is really a joke...
- alerighi 5y ago
  Yes, they made thinner phones but they made more huge and heavy. Nowadays it's nearly impossible to find a phone that has a screen smaller than 6". I mean, to me it's too much, it can even fit in some of my pockets! Give me back the old phones, removable battery, more thick, but more compact in the end, and more easy to carry around. The bigger screen it's in the end useless to me.
  - crazygringo 5y ago
    Smaller screen size is what the iPhone SE is for! It's what I use, precisely because pockets :)

jrkfkgmfmr 5y ago

Funny how I was replacing my old phones with replaceable batteries every year, yet I am replacing the newer ones with non replaceable ones only every 3, 4 years. Hint: it's not the non-replacable battery why people upgrade phones.

ajkdhcb2 5y ago
Opposite for me, I still hold onto my old phone with replaceable battery for when my new phone dies and i cant swap in a fresh one. Still works after 7+ years

crazygringo 5y ago

People want thin phones. A non-removable battery allows for thinness you simply cannot get otherwise. And while you can argue about whether thin laptops are necessary, for people who carry their phones in their pants pockets, an extra couple millimeters gone is genuinely a meaningful difference. There's no propaganda there.

ajkdhcb2 5y ago
>A non-removable battery allows for thinness you simply cannot get otherwise. I doubted this so I looked up dimensions. Samsung Galaxy S6 from 2015 is 6.8mm thick, with removable battery. S10 from 2019 is 7.8mm thick. So your theory doesn't seem to match reality.
- crazygringo 5y ago
  Wikipedia says the S6 did not have a user-replaceable battery: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S6#Battery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S6#Battery In any case, it's apples-to-oranges and doesn't mean anything. Cell phones can have functionality added that takes up the difference in thickness -- e.g. keeping the phone the same thickness instead of it getting even thicker. But main point is, they're thinner basically by definition. There are necessarily more layers of materials.
  - ajkdhcb2 5y ago
    Oh yeah seems I saw an incorrect site, S5 was the last one with removable battery. Of course there are some tradeoffs but it just doesn't seem so significant that EVERY brand refuses to offer even one model with a removable battery. There are definitely some people that want it despite the tradeoffs. As other commenters said, people have huge phones now and use cases. So I think manufacturers have a special interest in maintaining the situation for planned obsolescence.
    - crazygringo 5y ago
      I don't think it has anything to do with planned obsolescence. I've had an iPhone battery replaced 3 times now. It's not a big deal to have the store do it for me, nor is it that expensive. The bigger use case for swappable batteries is to have a spare, but these days people just carry an external battery pack with them that's the capacity they need, which is far more flexible (hold 10 full charges if you need, not just 1!) as well as not tied to any particular model. So I just don't see any special interest -- it's just giving people the thinness they want.
mnouquet 5y ago
> People want thin phones [Citation needed] My "thin" phone double in volume with the require case, so "thinness" is really a joke...
alerighi 5y ago
Yes, they made thinner phones but they made more huge and heavy. Nowadays it's nearly impossible to find a phone that has a screen smaller than 6". I mean, to me it's too much, it can even fit in some of my pockets! Give me back the old phones, removable battery, more thick, but more compact in the end, and more easy to carry around. The bigger screen it's in the end useless to me.
- crazygringo 5y ago
  Smaller screen size is what the iPhone SE is for! It's what I use, precisely because pockets :)