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I've got a personal email from a manager at AWS still sitting in my inbox, and I don't want to reply to it because I have heard so many horror stories from form

I've got a personal email from a manager at AWS still sitting in my inbox, and I don't want to reply to it because I have heard so many horror stories from former Amazon employees. When your reputation in the industry is so bad that potential hires don't even want to start a conversation with you, then you definitely have a problem as an employer. With this new principle, perhaps Amazon is recognizing this as a real problem with respect to recruitment and retention of people with experience.

jedmeyers 5y ago
“perhaps Amazon is recognizing this as a real problem” The real choices here seems to be: - amazon is “stupid” and does not recognize it as a problem - amazon is well aware, but does not care, since it benefits them in some way
- MattGaiser 5y ago
  It could simply be that it is not a problem yet, but is becoming one. https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-warehouse-turnover-worker-shortage-2021-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-warehouse-turnover-wo...
  - scotuswroteus 5y ago
    You should have linked to the bill that just came out of the Judiciary Committee
- rualca 5y ago
  > amazon is well aware, but does not care, since it benefits them in some way Given Amazon's egregious attrition rate and their yearly decimation policy, it's not very likely that they are not aware of what they are doing
adamredwoods 5y ago
I've interviewed with them 2 times, and had poor experiences each time. I'm sure I had my own imperfections surface during the interviews, but I've experienced hundreds of interviews at other companies, and I can safely say these were poor. Maybe I was mostly unlucky, but it left a poor experience on me, and I have no desire to work at Amazon. On the other hand, I had really good experiences at Microsoft. shrugs
- windexh8er 5y ago
  I've had similar experiences. I interviewed for three different roles and backed out of all of them. The hiring managers ranged from OK to egotistical, so it's ironic that one of the new principal is "lead with empathy". What was interesting during my process was that, by the second time, I started to call out Amazon employees for not abiding by the principals they asked me to understand prior to interviewing. Not only did they not "earn my trust" during the process by not following through on expectations they set for timelines in every instance, but when I brought this up ("have a backbone") the employees seemed to take offense that I'd have the nerve. At this point I have no intention to apply or reply to any recruiter looking for Amazon candidates. It seems as though the majority of their principals are lip service, or I've been unlucky enough to find areas of AWS that I would clearly not want to work in anyway.
cwkoss 5y ago
Tell them that their reputation is so bad that you'll only continue the discussion if they pay you $1000 for your time. Help them recognize it.

jedmeyers 5y ago

“perhaps Amazon is recognizing this as a real problem” The real choices here seems to be: - amazon is “stupid” and does not recognize it as a problem - amazon is well aware, but does not care, since it benefits them in some way

MattGaiser 5y ago
It could simply be that it is not a problem yet, but is becoming one. https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-warehouse-turnover-worker-shortage-2021-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-warehouse-turnover-wo...
- scotuswroteus 5y ago
  You should have linked to the bill that just came out of the Judiciary Committee
rualca 5y ago
> amazon is well aware, but does not care, since it benefits them in some way Given Amazon's egregious attrition rate and their yearly decimation policy, it's not very likely that they are not aware of what they are doing

adamredwoods 5y ago

I've interviewed with them 2 times, and had poor experiences each time. I'm sure I had my own imperfections surface during the interviews, but I've experienced hundreds of interviews at other companies, and I can safely say these were poor. Maybe I was mostly unlucky, but it left a poor experience on me, and I have no desire to work at Amazon. On the other hand, I had really good experiences at Microsoft. shrugs

windexh8er 5y ago
I've had similar experiences. I interviewed for three different roles and backed out of all of them. The hiring managers ranged from OK to egotistical, so it's ironic that one of the new principal is "lead with empathy". What was interesting during my process was that, by the second time, I started to call out Amazon employees for not abiding by the principals they asked me to understand prior to interviewing. Not only did they not "earn my trust" during the process by not following through on expectations they set for timelines in every instance, but when I brought this up ("have a backbone") the employees seemed to take offense that I'd have the nerve. At this point I have no intention to apply or reply to any recruiter looking for Amazon candidates. It seems as though the majority of their principals are lip service, or I've been unlucky enough to find areas of AWS that I would clearly not want to work in anyway.

cwkoss 5y ago

Tell them that their reputation is so bad that you'll only continue the discussion if they pay you $1000 for your time. Help them recognize it.