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In all fairness, maybe that's why they're adding this: the workplace culture and irresponsibility of Amazon are the main things I hear criticized a lot, so this

In all fairness, maybe that's why they're adding this: the workplace culture and irresponsibility of Amazon are the main things I hear criticized a lot, so this could be them trying to actually address that. I know Amazon, more than most companies, actually rates engineers along these axes. Then again, this could just be PR mumbo jumbo.

tablespoon 5y ago
> Then again, this could just be PR mumbo jumbo. It's just PR mumbo jumbo until they consistently display these principles (and let their stock price take a hit because of them, if that's what it takes). Even if "leadership principles" are currently super important in Amazon's culture, there's going to be massive inertia around behaviors and attitudes that satisfied the older set but violate the new ones. For instance, are they going to immediately scrap their automated system that evaluates and terminates workers without human intervention (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-06-28/fired-by-bot-amazon-turns-to-machine-managers-and-workers-are-losing-out https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-06-28/fired-by-...), because it clearly violates these new principles?
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- gameman144 5y ago
  I dunno. Everything takes time, and I think it's more fair to evaluate them on incremental progress. If I said "I want to be more Earth-friendly" and decide to add reusable grocery bags to my regimen, I'd hope that people wouldn't lambaste me for not yet going vegan, selling my car, and doing away with my AC unit. If there were no additional changes beyond my shopping bags, then sure, say that I was spouting nonsense. There's a lot to be said for consistent incremental progress toward a goal, though. (The automated system is a great example, though, of a system ostensibly working against that goal. Much like me wanting to be Earth-friendly, then buying a new Hummer)
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rualca 5y ago
> In all fairness, maybe that's why they're adding this: the workplace culture and irresponsibility of Amazon are the main things I hear criticized a lot, so this could be them trying to actually address that. They announced the leadership principles, but they announced no change at all. If I recall correctly, amazon also likes to tell it's employees that first they need to deliver work at the next level, and then and only then are they considered for the promotion. At best, all I'm seeing here is the exact opposite.
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tablespoon 5y ago

> Then again, this could just be PR mumbo jumbo. It's just PR mumbo jumbo until they consistently display these principles (and let their stock price take a hit because of them, if that's what it takes). Even if "leadership principles" are currently super important in Amazon's culture, there's going to be massive inertia around behaviors and attitudes that satisfied the older set but violate the new ones. For instance, are they going to immediately scrap their automated system that evaluates and terminates workers without human intervention (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-06-28/fired-by-bot-amazon-turns-to-machine-managers-and-workers-are-losing-out https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-06-28/fired-by-...), because it clearly violates these new principles?

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gameman144 5y ago
I dunno. Everything takes time, and I think it's more fair to evaluate them on incremental progress. If I said "I want to be more Earth-friendly" and decide to add reusable grocery bags to my regimen, I'd hope that people wouldn't lambaste me for not yet going vegan, selling my car, and doing away with my AC unit. If there were no additional changes beyond my shopping bags, then sure, say that I was spouting nonsense. There's a lot to be said for consistent incremental progress toward a goal, though. (The automated system is a great example, though, of a system ostensibly working against that goal. Much like me wanting to be Earth-friendly, then buying a new Hummer)
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rualca 5y ago

> In all fairness, maybe that's why they're adding this: the workplace culture and irresponsibility of Amazon are the main things I hear criticized a lot, so this could be them trying to actually address that. They announced the leadership principles, but they announced no change at all. If I recall correctly, amazon also likes to tell it's employees that first they need to deliver work at the next level, and then and only then are they considered for the promotion. At best, all I'm seeing here is the exact opposite.

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