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Coldest inhabited place on Earth is baking in record heat

54 points by vegetablepotpie 5y ago

hasmanean 5y ago
24 hour sunlight will make up for some of the reduced heat flux from being at such a high latitude.
- deleted 5y ago
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- Arnt 5y ago
  Close. But it's not at such a high latitude (as the article explictly says). They'll never have less than about three hours of sunlight in the winter and never less than three hours of night in the summer. It might be considerably more depending on the landscape. Even a small hill can cast a long shadow when the sun is that low.
BurningFrog 5y ago
This is how "inland climate" works. Away from temperature stabilizing ocean water, you get extreme temperatures.
- happytoexplain 5y ago
  But that doesn't affect whether this is historical, or an outlier. The article says it hit 88.8F where the average June high is 68F (they say "hits 68F", but they mean "is 68F"). I don't know what their variance is on annual June high, but surely it's not normally a 41 degree range.
  - BurningFrog 5y ago
    Agreed! I wanted to explain why it's not that surprising that a very cold place also gets very hot. It's also why the recent 116°F/47°C day in Portland, just 40 miles from the Pacific, surprises me a more!
- anthk 5y ago
  Agree. In Spain, in the inner Castilles you get up to 43 to 46C on Summer and -5 to -10C on Winter. At the Mediterranean coast, you get temps from 10-15C to 33C at the Eastern one and over 40C at the Southern one.
minikites 5y ago
Climate change is going to be our "great filter". I don't see any will to fix this at any level of society. As anthropogenic climate change worsens, wealthy societies are going to turn inward and double down on xenophobia to prevent migration from poorer nations more affected by climate change. The deterioration of the climate and of our geopolitical organizations will make it increasingly difficult to solve this problem and I don't see a happy ending for our species.
- wait_a_minute 5y ago
  Gives me some hope: https://www.xprize.org/prizes/elonmusk https://www.xprize.org/prizes/elonmusk https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/climate-change-impacts/predictions-future-global-climate https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/climate-change-impacts/... None of these tipping points are considered very likely to occur over the next several decades.
  - tootie 5y ago
    Convincing people to make sacrifices for the good of the world sadly feels like a lost cause. The only solution to this is going to be innovation that makes the climate cost of consumption decrease.
    - wait_a_minute 5y ago
      I'm not sad that we can fix the problem without stunting people's quality of living tbh.
      - tootie 5y ago
        Well, we can't yet. And it probably won't happen until we have already started to suffer serious consequences.
  - clydethefrog 5y ago
    A recent report confirms that ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica, whose mass-loss rates have been rapidly increasing, are matching the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's worst-case sea-level rise scenarios. https://www.esa.int/Applications/Observing_the_Earth/Space_for_our_climate/Ice_sheet_melt_on_track_with_worst-case_climate_scenario https://www.esa.int/Applications/Observing_the_Earth/Space_f... "For near-term time horizons, we think it's actually the best choice because it matches cumulative emissions. What happened over the last 15 years has been about exactly right compared to what was projected by RCP 8.5." That holds especially true for medium-term planning through 2050. https://insideclimatenews.org/news/03082020/climate-change-scenarios-emissions/ https://insideclimatenews.org/news/03082020/climate-change-s...
the_arun 5y ago
Will there be more rain this year because of this heat wave? Cause all the ice melted has to go somewhere?
- BurningFrog 5y ago
  I think it just goes into the already wet ocean?
- tupac_speedrap 5y ago
  The trend is more extreme weather, so you get lots of rain over a few days then a dry month. So your soil gets waterlogged and then you don't get enough water a few weeks later.
- klyrs 5y ago
  Not sure about rain, but yeah, that glacial melt needs to go somewhere https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/flood-warning-upper-fraser-river-june-2021-1.6085885 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/flood-warnin...
- elevaet 5y ago
  No, not for that reason anyways. Ice melt feeds into rivers which flow into the sea.
kleiba 5y ago
Meanwhile, I'm sitting in my home office, looking out at the rain through the window in what is one of the worse summers with current highs well below 70.
- EForEndeavour 5y ago
  It sounds like you don't live in Oymyakon, Russia!
olivermarks 5y ago
Sunspot number: 53 'INCREASING CHANCE OF FLARES: When the week began, sunspot AR2835 was big. Now it's really big. The active region has nearly doubled in size over the past 24 hours. Now twice as wide as Earth, its primary dark core is inset in this magnetic map from NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory' https://www.spaceweather.com https://www.spaceweather.com '
- EForEndeavour 5y ago
  Wrong thread, or am I missing the connection?
  - olivermarks 5y ago
    The connection is that sun spots equal more heat on earth. No sunspots meaning cooling. Watching macro space weather is a good predictor of events here.
    - EForEndeavour 5y ago
      That's easily verified to be false. For example, [1]: If sunspot activity is a meaningful driver of global mean temperature, why is global mean temperature increasing steadily [2], while sunspot activity has maintained its 11-year cycle [1]? [1] https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/couldnt-sun-be-cause-global-warming https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/couldnt-sun... [2] https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/...
      - olivermarks 5y ago
        Those are links to articles about recent'global warming' theories and data manipulation, a different topic. The Maunder Minimum and thousands of years of data are worth considering in the context of earth's relation to the sun.
        5y ago
nlitened 5y ago
I think that people living there are very happy that they can have some sunbathing time, too. Likely, its their best summer in decades.
- pengaru 5y ago
  Again last night I had that strange dream Where everything was exactly how it seemed No concerns about the world getting warmer People thought that they were just being rewarded For treating others as they'd like to be treated For obeying stop-signs and curing diseases For mailing letters with the address of the sender Now we can swim any day in November https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAPy64IgG58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAPy64IgG58

hasmanean 5y ago

24 hour sunlight will make up for some of the reduced heat flux from being at such a high latitude.

deleted 5y ago
[deleted]
Arnt 5y ago
Close. But it's not at such a high latitude (as the article explictly says). They'll never have less than about three hours of sunlight in the winter and never less than three hours of night in the summer. It might be considerably more depending on the landscape. Even a small hill can cast a long shadow when the sun is that low.

BurningFrog 5y ago

This is how "inland climate" works. Away from temperature stabilizing ocean water, you get extreme temperatures.

happytoexplain 5y ago
But that doesn't affect whether this is historical, or an outlier. The article says it hit 88.8F where the average June high is 68F (they say "hits 68F", but they mean "is 68F"). I don't know what their variance is on annual June high, but surely it's not normally a 41 degree range.
- BurningFrog 5y ago
  Agreed! I wanted to explain why it's not that surprising that a very cold place also gets very hot. It's also why the recent 116°F/47°C day in Portland, just 40 miles from the Pacific, surprises me a more!
anthk 5y ago
Agree. In Spain, in the inner Castilles you get up to 43 to 46C on Summer and -5 to -10C on Winter. At the Mediterranean coast, you get temps from 10-15C to 33C at the Eastern one and over 40C at the Southern one.

minikites 5y ago

Climate change is going to be our "great filter". I don't see any will to fix this at any level of society. As anthropogenic climate change worsens, wealthy societies are going to turn inward and double down on xenophobia to prevent migration from poorer nations more affected by climate change. The deterioration of the climate and of our geopolitical organizations will make it increasingly difficult to solve this problem and I don't see a happy ending for our species.

wait_a_minute 5y ago
Gives me some hope: https://www.xprize.org/prizes/elonmusk https://www.xprize.org/prizes/elonmusk https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/climate-change-impacts/predictions-future-global-climate https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/climate-change-impacts/... None of these tipping points are considered very likely to occur over the next several decades.
- tootie 5y ago
  Convincing people to make sacrifices for the good of the world sadly feels like a lost cause. The only solution to this is going to be innovation that makes the climate cost of consumption decrease.
  - wait_a_minute 5y ago
    I'm not sad that we can fix the problem without stunting people's quality of living tbh.
    - tootie 5y ago
      Well, we can't yet. And it probably won't happen until we have already started to suffer serious consequences.
- clydethefrog 5y ago
  A recent report confirms that ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica, whose mass-loss rates have been rapidly increasing, are matching the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's worst-case sea-level rise scenarios. https://www.esa.int/Applications/Observing_the_Earth/Space_for_our_climate/Ice_sheet_melt_on_track_with_worst-case_climate_scenario https://www.esa.int/Applications/Observing_the_Earth/Space_f... "For near-term time horizons, we think it's actually the best choice because it matches cumulative emissions. What happened over the last 15 years has been about exactly right compared to what was projected by RCP 8.5." That holds especially true for medium-term planning through 2050. https://insideclimatenews.org/news/03082020/climate-change-scenarios-emissions/ https://insideclimatenews.org/news/03082020/climate-change-s...

the_arun 5y ago

Will there be more rain this year because of this heat wave? Cause all the ice melted has to go somewhere?

BurningFrog 5y ago
I think it just goes into the already wet ocean?
tupac_speedrap 5y ago
The trend is more extreme weather, so you get lots of rain over a few days then a dry month. So your soil gets waterlogged and then you don't get enough water a few weeks later.
klyrs 5y ago
Not sure about rain, but yeah, that glacial melt needs to go somewhere https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/flood-warning-upper-fraser-river-june-2021-1.6085885 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/flood-warnin...
elevaet 5y ago
No, not for that reason anyways. Ice melt feeds into rivers which flow into the sea.

kleiba 5y ago

Meanwhile, I'm sitting in my home office, looking out at the rain through the window in what is one of the worse summers with current highs well below 70.

EForEndeavour 5y ago
It sounds like you don't live in Oymyakon, Russia!

olivermarks 5y ago

Sunspot number: 53 'INCREASING CHANCE OF FLARES: When the week began, sunspot AR2835 was big. Now it's really big. The active region has nearly doubled in size over the past 24 hours. Now twice as wide as Earth, its primary dark core is inset in this magnetic map from NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory' https://www.spaceweather.com https://www.spaceweather.com '

EForEndeavour 5y ago
Wrong thread, or am I missing the connection?
- olivermarks 5y ago
  The connection is that sun spots equal more heat on earth. No sunspots meaning cooling. Watching macro space weather is a good predictor of events here.
  - EForEndeavour 5y ago
    That's easily verified to be false. For example, [1]: If sunspot activity is a meaningful driver of global mean temperature, why is global mean temperature increasing steadily [2], while sunspot activity has maintained its 11-year cycle [1]? [1] https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/couldnt-sun-be-cause-global-warming https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/couldnt-sun... [2] https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/...
    - olivermarks 5y ago
      Those are links to articles about recent'global warming' theories and data manipulation, a different topic. The Maunder Minimum and thousands of years of data are worth considering in the context of earth's relation to the sun.
      - 5y ago

nlitened 5y ago

I think that people living there are very happy that they can have some sunbathing time, too. Likely, its their best summer in decades.

pengaru 5y ago
Again last night I had that strange dream Where everything was exactly how it seemed No concerns about the world getting warmer People thought that they were just being rewarded For treating others as they'd like to be treated For obeying stop-signs and curing diseases For mailing letters with the address of the sender Now we can swim any day in November https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAPy64IgG58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAPy64IgG58