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My dream is not paying 100-200 EUR for clothing which cost 1-10 EUR to produce. Don't care about your lifestyle, philosophy, trends, influencers, brand and logo
by durnygbur 5y ago
My dream is not paying 100-200 EUR for clothing which cost 1-10 EUR to produce. Don't care about your lifestyle, philosophy, trends, influencers, brand and logo. I want it vulgar - cash for good quality clothes.
- dalmo3 5y agoWhat's stopping you?
- durnygbur 5y agoMost new jeans, jackets, sweaters, chinos, trouses, etc below 50-60 EUR per item look and wear like rags.
- open-source-ux 5y agoThere are lots of mid-price clothing retailers across Europe who produce reasonable quality clothes (better than Primark quality). I find it hard to believe these stores sell poor quality chinos, jeans, etc in the 30-50 price range. Having said that, I'm sure everyone has a story of how a cheaply priced item of clothing turned out to be of better quality and durability than a equalivent expensive item. (Aside: In the UK, I'd place clothing retailers like John Lewis and Marks & Spencer in the mid-price to high-price category.)
- sveme 5y agoIn Germany, there's also the excellent grundstoff.net, which has remarkably cheap basics that are still of high quality and fairly produced. Highly recommended to anyone who is in Europe (though I don't know whether they deliver outside the EU).
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- e2e4 5y agoUniqlo
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- dna_polymerase 5y agoI'd have no issue paying 100-200 EUR for clothing if it wasn't for the constant stream of news reminding me, that the people who made my clothes are payed less than a dollar per week and getting sick while doing so.
- ThePadawan 5y agoI've recently found a (Swiss) shop which has the main business of printing and stitching logos onto bulk shirts, but will happily sell me low volumes of the blank clothes as well. Those do typically have shit quality at bargain prices, but as soon as you pay more than, let's say 10 EUR for a simple shirt, the quality is quite good (certainly better than C&A or most branded merch). That might be an avenue worth investigating for you as well!
- e-i-o-a 5y agoThis is exactly what I'm looking for. Would you mind sharing the store? /Also Swiss
- ThePadawan 5y agoSure! The store is shirt-discount dot ch. Please mind what I said above though - I've trialed some <10 CHF shirts that completely warped and fell apart after a few washes, so don't expect too much for too little. I can recommend the "B&C Mens V-Neck T-Shirt TRIBLEND" for V-neck shirts and the "Fruit of the Loom Mens Poloshirt PREMIUM" for polos. Obviously, YMMV.
- e-i-o-a 5y agoMerci!
- lucideer 5y agoDoes your dream trend toward paying less for clothing which cost 1-10 EUR to produce or paying 100-200 EUR for clothing for which people were paid reasonably to produce? There's plenty of the latter out there if you're looking for it[0]. [0] https://www.fairwear.org/programmes/living-wage https://www.fairwear.org/programmes/living-wage
- durnygbur 5y agoDunno... maybe 2-3x markup at most? Obviously removing the child and quasi slave labour from the production process.
- esyir 5y agoI read his comment as "I hate the 1000% markup on clothing"
- lucideer 5y agoOh I do too. But there's two separate approaches for people who hate that markup: lowering the markup or increasing the production cost. Given current industry standards, I think the second approach is reasonable. It's also very easy to do, if you can afford to.
- ckdarby 5y agoBoth, remove human labor in the process of making clothes altogether and have it produced cheaper.
- altacc 5y agoMost clothes are complex items and the manufacture of them is very unlikely to ever be fully automated within a reasonable time frame (such as our lifetimes). People will always be a part of the process. Many tasks are just too expensive to automate vs a cheap labourer. Clothes should be like many other things: cost more, have better quality, longer lifespans and have less negative impact on those who produce them and the environment where they are produced & recycled.
- pjmlp 5y agoEasy to solve when buying them at the local street market (aka bazaar).
- Filligree 5y agoWe don't have one of those in my city. I miss it. :(
- pjmlp 5y agoSpecially the price negotiation with drama part, I imagine.
- Filligree 5y agoIt's fun! One time I described how bitterly my three dead grandfathers would cry if they knew I'd overpaid, and the seller responded in kind. Maybe that's... not the usual type of negotiation, but making them laugh also seems to work. Problem being I got the giggles myself.
- arp242 5y agoI never quite understood the economics of clothing. Primark is well-known for being cheap, but also for having not exactly great quality, so clearly part of the cost-saving is in the production (e.g. materials, thickness, etc.) An average wage for a factory worker in Bangladesh seems about $0.33 USD; in Cambodia it's $0.85 USD; other countries are somewhere in between. I don't know how many clothes a single worker can make, but let's be extremely conservative and say it's two pieces of clothing per 10-hour workday. So that's between $1.65 an $4.25 in wages for a single piece of clothing. I suspect it's actually much much less (but can't find any resources on this at a moment's notice). Even this amount is ... not that much. A 50% or even 100% increase would make a huge difference in people's lives, while having a fairly minor impact on this end. I grew up fairly poor and for the first 25 years or so I basically never had enough money for anything, so I understand that "a few € more or less, who even notices?-attitude that someone more well-off/middle-class might say is actually not so easy. I know from experience that those "few euro" actually can be quite significant. This is one reason Primark is so popular in the first place. But still: the difference is stark, and there is little doubt in my mind what is clearly The Right Thing™ to do is here. I understand that companies want to keep costs down, and that's perfectly reasonably, but this is just ridiculous and extreme. In many cases workers barely have enough money to buy food. And for what? So it's €1 or €2 cheaper? I find it so hard to believe that, as I said in the first line, I must not understand the economics of this somehow. Or maybe I do and people involved in this are just ... ugh...
- lucian1900 5y agoWhen production is only motivated by profit, why would any company choose to reduce its profits? That eventually leads to losing to the competition and more consolidation into fewer companies that are ever more ruthless. You’re just observing how capitalism works. It’s why some of us would prefer rationally and democratically planned production motivated by needs.
- peytn 5y agoAre you talking about communism?
- doingitwell 5y agoAsket. They include a break down of the landed cost on the site. https://www.asket.com/au/shop/t-shirts/t-shirt-white https://www.asket.com/au/shop/t-shirts/t-shirt-white