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”To the People’s Republic of China” – from 4 leading newspapers from the Nordic

11 points by nabla9 5y ago

thendrill 5y ago
Pay walled swedish tabloid...
nemetroid 5y ago
In 2019, the same editor-in-chief (Peter Wolodarski) published a full-page ad with Chinese Hong Kong propaganda. https://www.svt.se/kultur/kinesiska-staten-annonserar-om-hongkong-i-dagens-nyheter https://www.svt.se/kultur/kinesiska-staten-annonserar-om-hon...
- nabla9 5y ago
  Yes, and they published counter-propaganda from HK protestors. Advertisement is propaganda.
  - gspr 5y ago
    Oh boy do I look forward to hearing what you mean by this.
    - nabla9 5y ago
      "act of influencing people by changing their attitudes and perceptions regarding the way they view certain products, services and even beliefs." (In the 20th century, the term propaganda is often associated with a manipulative approach, but historically, propaganda has been a neutral descriptive term)
  - nemetroid 5y ago
    > Yes, and they published counter-propaganda from HK protestors. I would not be surprised if they did, but I hadn’t heard of this. Do you have a reference? > Advertisement is propaganda. I don’t disagree, but Wolodarski (at the time) fashioned DN as a neutral observer. As he is publishing this opinion piece under his editor-in-chief title, I can only assume he has changed stances (or maybe he just doesn’t want SvD’s editor-in-chief to be in the list of authors instead of him).
    - nabla9 5y ago
      > I can only assume he has changed stances I don't see how that is different stance. You can oppose Chinese government and still allow them to buy ads in moderation to get their message trough. They are not in every front confrontation against Chinese government and neither is their readership or their government.
      - nemetroid 5y ago
        Obviously you can do that (since they’ve done it), but it severely limits your credibility when you do speak out.
        nabla9 5y ago
        I think it improves their credibility. They did approve it after some consideration. https://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/peter-wolodarski-om-kritiken-mot-kinas-hongkongannons/ https://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/peter-wolodarski-om-kritik... Newspapers have positions on free speech and human rights, but they are not supposed to be are not political crusaders who shut down everything they don't approve. If being adult who understands nuances is not being credible, this world is wrong.
sunstone 5y ago
The writing on the wall has been clear for Hong Kong ever since the HK police turned violent against the protesters. Yes it's an outcome of horrific consequences for the people of Hong Kong but they need to rebuild in another place as other great cities have been rebuilt in the past.

11 points by nabla9 5y ago

Pay walled swedish tabloid...

In 2019, the same editor-in-chief (Peter Wolodarski) published a full-page ad with Chinese Hong Kong propaganda. https://www.svt.se/kultur/kinesiska-staten-annonserar-om-hongkong-i-dagens-nyheter https://www.svt.se/kultur/kinesiska-staten-annonserar-om-hon...

nabla9 5y ago
Yes, and they published counter-propaganda from HK protestors. Advertisement is propaganda.
- gspr 5y ago
  Oh boy do I look forward to hearing what you mean by this.
  - nabla9 5y ago
    "act of influencing people by changing their attitudes and perceptions regarding the way they view certain products, services and even beliefs." (In the 20th century, the term propaganda is often associated with a manipulative approach, but historically, propaganda has been a neutral descriptive term)
- nemetroid 5y ago
  > Yes, and they published counter-propaganda from HK protestors. I would not be surprised if they did, but I hadn’t heard of this. Do you have a reference? > Advertisement is propaganda. I don’t disagree, but Wolodarski (at the time) fashioned DN as a neutral observer. As he is publishing this opinion piece under his editor-in-chief title, I can only assume he has changed stances (or maybe he just doesn’t want SvD’s editor-in-chief to be in the list of authors instead of him).
  - nabla9 5y ago
    > I can only assume he has changed stances I don't see how that is different stance. You can oppose Chinese government and still allow them to buy ads in moderation to get their message trough. They are not in every front confrontation against Chinese government and neither is their readership or their government.
    - nemetroid 5y ago
      Obviously you can do that (since they’ve done it), but it severely limits your credibility when you do speak out.
      - nabla9 5y ago
        I think it improves their credibility. They did approve it after some consideration. https://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/peter-wolodarski-om-kritiken-mot-kinas-hongkongannons/ https://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/peter-wolodarski-om-kritik... Newspapers have positions on free speech and human rights, but they are not supposed to be are not political crusaders who shut down everything they don't approve. If being adult who understands nuances is not being credible, this world is wrong.

sunstone 5y ago

The writing on the wall has been clear for Hong Kong ever since the HK police turned violent against the protesters. Yes it's an outcome of horrific consequences for the people of Hong Kong but they need to rebuild in another place as other great cities have been rebuilt in the past.