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I wonder if the headline was so trollish when Apple violated Nokia's patents and settled by paying. It's actually quite funny to see "media" (blogs included) r

I wonder if the headline was so trollish when Apple violated Nokia's patents and settled by paying. It's actually quite funny to see "media" (blogs included) role in the Mobile Tech reporting - they either troll bait for clicks on both sides or are just supporting their "team" by offense or defense at every opportunity ;) Speaking of which there was this on Slashdot - http://science.slashdot.org/story/11/07/15/1331243/The-Science-Behind-Fanboyism http://science.slashdot.org/story/11/07/15/1331243/The-Scien...

Steko 15y ago
Honestly what's wrong with the headline, is this not 'bad news for Android'? As for how the media works, I think you'll find that selling news with catchy headlines has a long history and is hardly exclusive to the Mobile Tech industry.
- blinkingled 15y ago
  a) Appeal is pending - the news is not yet final. b) Patent cross licensing deals aren't that uncommon - Apple is paying Nokia royalties for e.g. without anyone saying it was "bad news" for Apple c) HTC != Android - I understand the patents are about Android but remember - HTC is also flush with cash, they are appealing and they just bought S3 and Apple violates their patents. Other Android vendors may have enough patent chest of their own to not lose much in the fight. As far as the media goes - so far those type of media outlets were seeking sensationalism for its own sake or just for making money's sake - taking one "side" and seeking sensationalism in everything that goes for it - that's new as far as I know in tech industry.
  - Steko 15y ago
    a) If you're found guilty of murder that's still bad news regardless if you plan to appeal. Analogy not precise here, it's a preliminary finding not a final verdict, overall logic is the same - one side of a case can have all sorts of bad news. b) Plenty of people said that was bad for Apple, I'm sure Steve Jobs would prefer not to part with those billions of dollars. {There's a minor difference in that it wasn't "bad news" because it was a negotiated settlement, not a revealed finding and thus not "news" to Apple}. At any rate it was widely reported as a victory for Nokia and a loss for Apple. c) That is disingenuous. HTC (also mentioned in the headline) is not a household name and it is a huge part of Android. This isn't just bad news for HTC, it's arguably worse news for Android because the patents are reportedly fundamental to the OS. If HTC (et al) can't import Android phones or the fees make the cost of it too high they're just going to switch to WP 7. Media: the media isn't taking sides here, the ITC did and the media is reporting that. What's your perfect headline?
    - blinkingled 15y ago
      How does any of that make sense to you - I am too tired atm to restate the obvious but - a) Hyperbole - murder cases and patent cases don't compare. Convicted of murder doesn't have any negotiation left - plenty of negotiation is possible in this case as I pointed out - HTC can use S3 patents to offset or even make up for what they might end up paying Apple if they lose the appeal. b) Patents are sad reality for everyone and anyone who wants to make and sell significant mobile product - Apple, Nokia, Microsoft, Google, HTC - all are at risk which they manage by paying up or making cross patent licensing deals. If it's bad news it is bad for everyone - not just Android. And HTC doesn't seem to be in a particularly bad position here - they got the ITC to invalidate some of Apple's claim and they have a favorable ruling in S3 case which they can use against Apple. c) See b) - You don't seem to fully grasp the patent scene - whatever it is - bad/worst/ugly - it is the same for everyone. Or are you saying Apple is somehow immune to all this?
      - Steko 15y ago
        a) Exchange 'murder' with 'jaywalking' if you like, either way your argument that there can be no bad news because they can appeal is just silly. It doesn't even have to be the verdict -- not getting the juror you wanted, not getting that evidence/testimony/witness in, not getting a continuance, these are all bad news decisions. The fact that you can appeal any of them doesn't change them being bad news. b) that is your opinion about the overall patent industry but today's specific news is not about general patent industry. It's about this finding by the ITC. It is most certainly good news for Apple and bad news for HTC and Android. Do you think HTC was happy when they heard this? I think they were disappointed to hear this. That is bad news by definition. c) I think your view is clouded by your Patent Derangement Syndrome. No Apple is not immune to anything, they could benefit or pay horribly like anyone else. When they infringe on people's (valid) patents I believe Apple should pay the appropriate penalty. Conversely when other companies infringe on Apple's (valid) patents I believe they should pay the appropriate penalty. Thirdly patents that should not have been issued (i.e. many of them) should be deemed invalid. What happened today was a preliminary finding that Android maker HTC infringes on several of Apple's patents. There could be worse news but this is unquestionably bad news for HTC and Android.

Steko 15y ago

Honestly what's wrong with the headline, is this not 'bad news for Android'? As for how the media works, I think you'll find that selling news with catchy headlines has a long history and is hardly exclusive to the Mobile Tech industry.

blinkingled 15y ago
a) Appeal is pending - the news is not yet final. b) Patent cross licensing deals aren't that uncommon - Apple is paying Nokia royalties for e.g. without anyone saying it was "bad news" for Apple c) HTC != Android - I understand the patents are about Android but remember - HTC is also flush with cash, they are appealing and they just bought S3 and Apple violates their patents. Other Android vendors may have enough patent chest of their own to not lose much in the fight. As far as the media goes - so far those type of media outlets were seeking sensationalism for its own sake or just for making money's sake - taking one "side" and seeking sensationalism in everything that goes for it - that's new as far as I know in tech industry.
- Steko 15y ago
  a) If you're found guilty of murder that's still bad news regardless if you plan to appeal. Analogy not precise here, it's a preliminary finding not a final verdict, overall logic is the same - one side of a case can have all sorts of bad news. b) Plenty of people said that was bad for Apple, I'm sure Steve Jobs would prefer not to part with those billions of dollars. {There's a minor difference in that it wasn't "bad news" because it was a negotiated settlement, not a revealed finding and thus not "news" to Apple}. At any rate it was widely reported as a victory for Nokia and a loss for Apple. c) That is disingenuous. HTC (also mentioned in the headline) is not a household name and it is a huge part of Android. This isn't just bad news for HTC, it's arguably worse news for Android because the patents are reportedly fundamental to the OS. If HTC (et al) can't import Android phones or the fees make the cost of it too high they're just going to switch to WP 7. Media: the media isn't taking sides here, the ITC did and the media is reporting that. What's your perfect headline?
  - blinkingled 15y ago
    How does any of that make sense to you - I am too tired atm to restate the obvious but - a) Hyperbole - murder cases and patent cases don't compare. Convicted of murder doesn't have any negotiation left - plenty of negotiation is possible in this case as I pointed out - HTC can use S3 patents to offset or even make up for what they might end up paying Apple if they lose the appeal. b) Patents are sad reality for everyone and anyone who wants to make and sell significant mobile product - Apple, Nokia, Microsoft, Google, HTC - all are at risk which they manage by paying up or making cross patent licensing deals. If it's bad news it is bad for everyone - not just Android. And HTC doesn't seem to be in a particularly bad position here - they got the ITC to invalidate some of Apple's claim and they have a favorable ruling in S3 case which they can use against Apple. c) See b) - You don't seem to fully grasp the patent scene - whatever it is - bad/worst/ugly - it is the same for everyone. Or are you saying Apple is somehow immune to all this?
    - Steko 15y ago
      a) Exchange 'murder' with 'jaywalking' if you like, either way your argument that there can be no bad news because they can appeal is just silly. It doesn't even have to be the verdict -- not getting the juror you wanted, not getting that evidence/testimony/witness in, not getting a continuance, these are all bad news decisions. The fact that you can appeal any of them doesn't change them being bad news. b) that is your opinion about the overall patent industry but today's specific news is not about general patent industry. It's about this finding by the ITC. It is most certainly good news for Apple and bad news for HTC and Android. Do you think HTC was happy when they heard this? I think they were disappointed to hear this. That is bad news by definition. c) I think your view is clouded by your Patent Derangement Syndrome. No Apple is not immune to anything, they could benefit or pay horribly like anyone else. When they infringe on people's (valid) patents I believe Apple should pay the appropriate penalty. Conversely when other companies infringe on Apple's (valid) patents I believe they should pay the appropriate penalty. Thirdly patents that should not have been issued (i.e. many of them) should be deemed invalid. What happened today was a preliminary finding that Android maker HTC infringes on several of Apple's patents. There could be worse news but this is unquestionably bad news for HTC and Android.