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Really disappointed by the marketing of these projects. No information whatsoever regarding why I should both download and use the browser. I understand that's

Really disappointed by the marketing of these projects. No information whatsoever regarding why I should both download and use the browser. I understand that's something related to Opera revamping, but I just don't understand why such projects don't invest 5 minutes of time explaining features in plain English, and relegate everything to a niche. What a pity.

fouc 5y ago
the README.md is a bit more informative > A browser controlled by the user, not vice-versa > Otter Browser aims to recreate the best aspects of Opera 12 and to revive its spirit. We are focused on providing the powerful features power users want while keeping the browser fast and lightweight. We also learned from history and decided to release the browser under the GNU GPL v3.
- alpaca128 5y ago
  That is nice, but it's little to go by. I used Opera once for a while, but no idea what version. What was that "spirit" of Opera 12? What are those features power users want, do I want them too? Give me at least a screenshot and 1-2 sentences that I as the user of current Firefox or Chrome can say anything about. All I get is fast and lightweight, which seemingly 90% of software projects write somewhere on their homepage. Nothing against this browser, it's just that there are more open source projects than I could ever try out in my free time, and if I have to take a second look to find a link to screenshots somewhere below the one to the changelog it's not too convincing. It doesn't have to, maybe I'm not the target audience, but that's my impression.
  - bmn__ 5y ago
    > What was that "spirit" of Opera 12? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19615411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19615411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23733577 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23733577 (plus parent for context) Maybe I can summarise that as "lots of features and customisability".
tsimionescu 5y ago
I think it's mostly because they don't really have much in terms of features to separate them from Chrome. It's almost always more a thing about just not wanting to use Google, and bundling some extension-level features into the core browser (ad block, mouse gestures, this sort of thing).

fouc 5y ago

the README.md is a bit more informative > A browser controlled by the user, not vice-versa > Otter Browser aims to recreate the best aspects of Opera 12 and to revive its spirit. We are focused on providing the powerful features power users want while keeping the browser fast and lightweight. We also learned from history and decided to release the browser under the GNU GPL v3.

alpaca128 5y ago
That is nice, but it's little to go by. I used Opera once for a while, but no idea what version. What was that "spirit" of Opera 12? What are those features power users want, do I want them too? Give me at least a screenshot and 1-2 sentences that I as the user of current Firefox or Chrome can say anything about. All I get is fast and lightweight, which seemingly 90% of software projects write somewhere on their homepage. Nothing against this browser, it's just that there are more open source projects than I could ever try out in my free time, and if I have to take a second look to find a link to screenshots somewhere below the one to the changelog it's not too convincing. It doesn't have to, maybe I'm not the target audience, but that's my impression.
- bmn__ 5y ago
  > What was that "spirit" of Opera 12? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19615411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19615411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23733577 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23733577 (plus parent for context) Maybe I can summarise that as "lots of features and customisability".

tsimionescu 5y ago

I think it's mostly because they don't really have much in terms of features to separate them from Chrome. It's almost always more a thing about just not wanting to use Google, and bundling some extension-level features into the core browser (ad block, mouse gestures, this sort of thing).