Thanks. I agree re unit-tests and integration tests. Mostly we're focused on (and talking about) testing what humans end up using directly - e.g. interfaces to

Thanks. I agree re unit-tests and integration tests. Mostly we're focused on (and talking about) testing what humans end up using directly - e.g. interfaces to web apps or mobile apps. I think you're wrong re:organizational problems, it's part of it - but most developers (in my expereince) do not want to do QA outside of unit-tests and maybe integration tests. They want to write code, and ship things. Automation, at least traditionally is brittle as well as slow to write, and few love it. Whilst tooling like Cypress does improve things over Selenium, still, I've not met a developer that actually enjoys that kind of testing.