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I don't understand how your example relates to "launder intellectual property violations". What you're saying is that your grandfather hand wrote some feature e

by ipsum2 5y ago

I don't understand how your example relates to "launder intellectual property violations". What you're saying is that your grandfather hand wrote some feature extractors that look similar to the neurons that ML models have learned from backpropagation. There's no stealing of IP there at all.

monocasa 5y ago
He has a set of patents on certain types of highlighting frequency domain patterns in MRIs. In a lot of ways recurrent neural networks can be frequency domain feature extractors as the backwards data flows create sort of delay line memories tapped at interesting periods. The MRI manufacturers after refusing to license his patents, heavily invested in ML models that focus on using recurrent networks for frequency domain feature extraction. Patents aren't like copyright where independent reinvention is a way out; he has a monopoly on the concepts regardless of how someone came about them, even by growing them a bit organically like how ML works.
- otterley 5y ago
  You can't patent a concept. You can only patent a process, a machine, an article of manufacture, or a composition of matter. And the invention must be described sufficiently such that a practitioner skilled in the relevant art can reproduce the subject matter.
  - monocasa 5y ago
    You can patent a software process or machine running classes of software in the US as long as it doesn't conflict with Alice Corp's test which is analogous to what I mean by concept in this case. And his patents are extremely well documented in the patents so that they can be reproduced. I guess if someone manually cranked through the math for each video's set of pixels they wouldn't be infringing, but oncologists aren't really ok with waiting a year for results. Any practical implementation would be infringing. And like I said, I'm pretty anti US structures around intellectual property (including software patents), but I'm not for the only ones being able to circumvent the legal process being entities with large banks of capital.

by ipsum2 5y ago

monocasa 5y ago

He has a set of patents on certain types of highlighting frequency domain patterns in MRIs. In a lot of ways recurrent neural networks can be frequency domain feature extractors as the backwards data flows create sort of delay line memories tapped at interesting periods. The MRI manufacturers after refusing to license his patents, heavily invested in ML models that focus on using recurrent networks for frequency domain feature extraction. Patents aren't like copyright where independent reinvention is a way out; he has a monopoly on the concepts regardless of how someone came about them, even by growing them a bit organically like how ML works.

otterley 5y ago
You can't patent a concept. You can only patent a process, a machine, an article of manufacture, or a composition of matter. And the invention must be described sufficiently such that a practitioner skilled in the relevant art can reproduce the subject matter.
- monocasa 5y ago
  You can patent a software process or machine running classes of software in the US as long as it doesn't conflict with Alice Corp's test which is analogous to what I mean by concept in this case. And his patents are extremely well documented in the patents so that they can be reproduced. I guess if someone manually cranked through the math for each video's set of pixels they wouldn't be infringing, but oncologists aren't really ok with waiting a year for results. Any practical implementation would be infringing. And like I said, I'm pretty anti US structures around intellectual property (including software patents), but I'm not for the only ones being able to circumvent the legal process being entities with large banks of capital.