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Everytime you take your car think about the discomfort you felt by reading the headline.

xyzelement 5y ago
If you are trying to persuade people to your point of view, I don't think this method works. First, skimming the article for the causes of "heat dome" I am not seeing connections to climate change. Maybe I didn't read carefully enough so let me know but this could just be a "thing". But more importantly, short of that connection it looks like you are trying to appeal to guilt and fear and that's just not something that attracts mentally healthy people. Nobody is interested in that emotion so if it's warranted you have to work much harder to make a case. Besides our cars have good AC.
_carbyau_ 5y ago
On the one hand, it is easy to see the direct link. OTOH, you can't blame a person - or company - for playing according to the rules of the game. It comes down to: "Why should I eschew a car and take 250% longer to travel places on COVID infested public transport, when my neighbour Bob jumps in his BMW SUV and drives." We need leadership from lawmakers or nothing meaningful will happen.
- Klonoar 5y ago
  A bit off topic, but: COVID should not be a reason we eschew public transportation; we already have enough of a stigma against it in the USA. I think last year was understandable why some would shy away from it, but if you'll ride in an airplane I don't see why you would be unwilling to take the train.
  - _carbyau_ 5y ago
    I love the idea of public transport. The reality doesn't match the idea though. Same as "drive vs not drive" for climate change, the rules have to change for most people to consistently prefer public transport over using their own car. Plane vs train? Two different use cases which people would rate differently depending on benefit vs risk/cost. I can easily see people happy to use a plane to travel long distances with a known set (to the carrier) of people but not want to use a public train with strangers getting on and off at each stop. Here in Australia where we have limited number of COVID+ people and track'n'trace is feasible it makes a huge difference.
- t0mbstone 5y ago
  Anyone who thinks they are going to make a difference by abstaining from driving their car is woefully misinformed. We have cargo ships right now that are burning dirty oil and producing massive amounts of pollution. It has been estimated that just one of these container ships, the length of around six football pitches, can produce the same amount of pollution as 50 million cars.
  - lovecg 5y ago
    Note that this is pollution as measured by a few specific pollutants and explicitly _not_ CO2. While this is definitely a problem, if you care about climate change the cars are still a big deal.

If you are trying to persuade people to your point of view, I don't think this method works. First, skimming the article for the causes of "heat dome" I am not seeing connections to climate change. Maybe I didn't read carefully enough so let me know but this could just be a "thing". But more importantly, short of that connection it looks like you are trying to appeal to guilt and fear and that's just not something that attracts mentally healthy people. Nobody is interested in that emotion so if it's warranted you have to work much harder to make a case. Besides our cars have good AC.

_carbyau_ 5y ago

On the one hand, it is easy to see the direct link. OTOH, you can't blame a person - or company - for playing according to the rules of the game. It comes down to: "Why should I eschew a car and take 250% longer to travel places on COVID infested public transport, when my neighbour Bob jumps in his BMW SUV and drives." We need leadership from lawmakers or nothing meaningful will happen.

Klonoar 5y ago
A bit off topic, but: COVID should not be a reason we eschew public transportation; we already have enough of a stigma against it in the USA. I think last year was understandable why some would shy away from it, but if you'll ride in an airplane I don't see why you would be unwilling to take the train.
- _carbyau_ 5y ago
  I love the idea of public transport. The reality doesn't match the idea though. Same as "drive vs not drive" for climate change, the rules have to change for most people to consistently prefer public transport over using their own car. Plane vs train? Two different use cases which people would rate differently depending on benefit vs risk/cost. I can easily see people happy to use a plane to travel long distances with a known set (to the carrier) of people but not want to use a public train with strangers getting on and off at each stop. Here in Australia where we have limited number of COVID+ people and track'n'trace is feasible it makes a huge difference.
t0mbstone 5y ago
Anyone who thinks they are going to make a difference by abstaining from driving their car is woefully misinformed. We have cargo ships right now that are burning dirty oil and producing massive amounts of pollution. It has been estimated that just one of these container ships, the length of around six football pitches, can produce the same amount of pollution as 50 million cars.
- lovecg 5y ago
  Note that this is pollution as measured by a few specific pollutants and explicitly _not_ CO2. While this is definitely a problem, if you care about climate change the cars are still a big deal.