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I mean, depending on the business, employees aren't trusted to understand the whole picture regardless. Many employees at traditional business don't even have a

I mean, depending on the business, employees aren't trusted to understand the whole picture regardless. Many employees at traditional business don't even have administrator access on their laptops, depending on their position so it's not logically inconsistent with how things seem to operate. With that lack of big picture overview, it makes things hard to scrutinise since you're only seeing one sliver of an implementation (ie; "It saves money" without seeing, let alone understanding the technical requirements and vice versa)

aynyc 5y ago
Limited admin practice isn’t just to save money. It’s a security practice and it’s a good one. In a large business, no one understand the whole business maybe except legal department and CEO.
- MuffinFlavored 5y ago
  > In a large business, no one understand the whole business maybe except legal department and CEO. lol... what? A CEO of a 20,000+ person company literally sees projects as revenue sources and a deadline, nothing more. To get it delivered, he/she walks down the chain of managers until they gets answers. It's might as well be a black hole.
  - aynyc 5y ago
    I only work for three large (2000+) companies. I’ve written reports to executive management committees. CEO never really cares about projects per se. they care about business units. Each business unit can have important projects. CEOs and management committees don’t really dive into them, they care about how each business unit are operating according to his management goals. CEOs aren’t gonna care about Python or Golang.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  > Limited admin practice isn’t just to save money. It’s a security practice and it’s a good one. And it's a red flag. Means that IT is running the show, not engineering.
- spondyl 5y ago
  I agree in principle! To be a bit clearer, I was thinking more in terms of locality so for example, "Users don't even have access to their laptops right in front of them" let alone visibility into their own department or even wider organisation due to access policy restrictions. Being able to write or edit everywhere would be ridiculous but sometimes there are (admittedly intangible) upsides to transparency (read only access in a technical sense) to most aspects of the wider business
- apetresc 5y ago
  You think the _legal department_ understands the whole business better than anyone? Where have you been working?
  - aynyc 5y ago
    Every company I work for, legal usually sign of every deal, in terms of legality of the contract. They know every contracts/clients we have. They know where all our business is. They might not care whether our business plan is or works, but they know what our business is. Same can be say about finance group.
908B64B197 5y ago
Also, the caliber of engineers at Google might not be the same as RandomCo where admin access isn't allowed for engineers.

aynyc 5y ago

Limited admin practice isn’t just to save money. It’s a security practice and it’s a good one. In a large business, no one understand the whole business maybe except legal department and CEO.

MuffinFlavored 5y ago
> In a large business, no one understand the whole business maybe except legal department and CEO. lol... what? A CEO of a 20,000+ person company literally sees projects as revenue sources and a deadline, nothing more. To get it delivered, he/she walks down the chain of managers until they gets answers. It's might as well be a black hole.
- aynyc 5y ago
  I only work for three large (2000+) companies. I’ve written reports to executive management committees. CEO never really cares about projects per se. they care about business units. Each business unit can have important projects. CEOs and management committees don’t really dive into them, they care about how each business unit are operating according to his management goals. CEOs aren’t gonna care about Python or Golang.
908B64B197 5y ago
> Limited admin practice isn’t just to save money. It’s a security practice and it’s a good one. And it's a red flag. Means that IT is running the show, not engineering.
spondyl 5y ago
I agree in principle! To be a bit clearer, I was thinking more in terms of locality so for example, "Users don't even have access to their laptops right in front of them" let alone visibility into their own department or even wider organisation due to access policy restrictions. Being able to write or edit everywhere would be ridiculous but sometimes there are (admittedly intangible) upsides to transparency (read only access in a technical sense) to most aspects of the wider business
apetresc 5y ago
You think the _legal department_ understands the whole business better than anyone? Where have you been working?
- aynyc 5y ago
  Every company I work for, legal usually sign of every deal, in terms of legality of the contract. They know every contracts/clients we have. They know where all our business is. They might not care whether our business plan is or works, but they know what our business is. Same can be say about finance group.

908B64B197 5y ago

Also, the caliber of engineers at Google might not be the same as RandomCo where admin access isn't allowed for engineers.