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Not sure if you’re sarcastic or not, but my company (enterprise size) has migrated from self hosted Exchange + network file shares + GitLab + Jenkins + Artifact

Not sure if you’re sarcastic or not, but my company (enterprise size) has migrated from self hosted Exchange + network file shares + GitLab + Jenkins + Artifactory + 1000 other things to Office 365 + Azure and it’s been great. Probably took a lot more effort than what I notice as an end user…but I do get the impression that Microsoft is pretty good in enterprise productivity…

shadilay 5y ago
MS has always been stronger in B2B. Consumer facing.. well there's been some missteps.
mjcl 5y ago
My experience was that MS understands how IT departments work (from small to large) and are fantastic at providing resources to customers if it means you'll end up using more MS products. At a prior job they paid for a local consulting group to configure the Office 365 tenant, connect it with the existing on-prem infrastructure and train the staff on migrating mailboxes.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  It helps that they build and operate their own IT tools. https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20110802-00/?p=10003 https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20110802-00/?p=10...
znkynz 5y ago
Office365 as a platform appears to suffer from terrible unreliability. My last role was in a google apps shop, and i miss it every single day. (it's been 3 years).
- gogopuppygogo 5y ago
  This is my experience as well since the BPoS days… Not that it matters. Companies on the Microsoft stack just tolerate the outages so they can keep using Microsoft for everything.
- tcoff91 5y ago
  I call it Office361 because it goes down at least 4 days a year.
- kiwijamo 5y ago
  My organisation has used 365 for the last two or so years (after migration from Google) and I can't say I've noticed much difference in reliability between the two. Google has their bad days as well. What in particular have you noticed?
- perryizgr8 5y ago
  Just an anecdote but my experience has been diametrically opposite to yours. My last role was in an office 365 shop and I miss it every single day. Most of the pain in Google-land comes from meet/chat and everything being in the browser.
- belltaco 5y ago
  Not sure why I have the opposite experience. We transitioned from self hosted Exchange to Office 365 and then Teams a few years ago, and I don't even remember a single instance of an outage.
ajross 5y ago
That's where I am too. We've been moving to 365 over the past year, and during the pandemic I finally cut the cord to the old technology (corporate IMAP/SMTP which I then glue up with clients myself). And... sorry everyone, but BY FAR the best, cleanest, most performant and reliable work-provided email/messaging/calendaring solution I've had during my almost 2.5 decades of being a full time Linux user is... Microsoft Office 365. And frankly the competition isn't even close. I don't love everything about it. But... OMG, it works. It just works in my browser and I don't need to do anything to get all the features that IT departments for decades were only able to make work on their own blessed windows images.
- Woodi 5y ago
  You can now self-fire yourself. Or could be easily "reduced". Congratz mate. Or maybe you are in manager position ? O, and just wait till global MS365 outage. Or global MS365 emails leak. Or passwords leak or just sell offers on black market... Also all that thread conflate email systems with "email/messaging/calendaring" packages - that always was corporational level stuff so no serious attempts from open software world. And maybe you remember Netscape ~4.x had profiles in LDAP ? But, somehow, that fake opensource fundation Mozilla removed it. Why ? Obviously - to trim down competition for budies ! And here we are - "I'm so happy with app via browser!"... And IBM... n/c...
milankragujevic 5y ago
Same story. We have some weird behavior with Microsoft services but rarely and don't suffer from lack of resources and instability due to inflexible self hosted infrastructure.

shadilay 5y ago

MS has always been stronger in B2B. Consumer facing.. well there's been some missteps.

mjcl 5y ago

My experience was that MS understands how IT departments work (from small to large) and are fantastic at providing resources to customers if it means you'll end up using more MS products. At a prior job they paid for a local consulting group to configure the Office 365 tenant, connect it with the existing on-prem infrastructure and train the staff on migrating mailboxes.

908B64B197 5y ago
It helps that they build and operate their own IT tools. https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20110802-00/?p=10003 https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20110802-00/?p=10...

znkynz 5y ago

Office365 as a platform appears to suffer from terrible unreliability. My last role was in a google apps shop, and i miss it every single day. (it's been 3 years).

gogopuppygogo 5y ago
This is my experience as well since the BPoS days… Not that it matters. Companies on the Microsoft stack just tolerate the outages so they can keep using Microsoft for everything.
tcoff91 5y ago
I call it Office361 because it goes down at least 4 days a year.
kiwijamo 5y ago
My organisation has used 365 for the last two or so years (after migration from Google) and I can't say I've noticed much difference in reliability between the two. Google has their bad days as well. What in particular have you noticed?
perryizgr8 5y ago
Just an anecdote but my experience has been diametrically opposite to yours. My last role was in an office 365 shop and I miss it every single day. Most of the pain in Google-land comes from meet/chat and everything being in the browser.
belltaco 5y ago
Not sure why I have the opposite experience. We transitioned from self hosted Exchange to Office 365 and then Teams a few years ago, and I don't even remember a single instance of an outage.

ajross 5y ago

That's where I am too. We've been moving to 365 over the past year, and during the pandemic I finally cut the cord to the old technology (corporate IMAP/SMTP which I then glue up with clients myself). And... sorry everyone, but BY FAR the best, cleanest, most performant and reliable work-provided email/messaging/calendaring solution I've had during my almost 2.5 decades of being a full time Linux user is... Microsoft Office 365. And frankly the competition isn't even close. I don't love everything about it. But... OMG, it works. It just works in my browser and I don't need to do anything to get all the features that IT departments for decades were only able to make work on their own blessed windows images.

Woodi 5y ago
You can now self-fire yourself. Or could be easily "reduced". Congratz mate. Or maybe you are in manager position ? O, and just wait till global MS365 outage. Or global MS365 emails leak. Or passwords leak or just sell offers on black market... Also all that thread conflate email systems with "email/messaging/calendaring" packages - that always was corporational level stuff so no serious attempts from open software world. And maybe you remember Netscape ~4.x had profiles in LDAP ? But, somehow, that fake opensource fundation Mozilla removed it. Why ? Obviously - to trim down competition for budies ! And here we are - "I'm so happy with app via browser!"... And IBM... n/c...

milankragujevic 5y ago

Same story. We have some weird behavior with Microsoft services but rarely and don't suffer from lack of resources and instability due to inflexible self hosted infrastructure.