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Can you define “dubious” and “crossing a redline” (so that they need to be shut) according to HK laws? Without a precise definition we cannot have a fruitful d

Can you define “dubious” and “crossing a redline” (so that they need to be shut) according to HK laws? Without a precise definition we cannot have a fruitful discussion.

dumb1224 5y ago
It is quite obvious they belong to a more sensationalism type of tabloid media. I refer them as 'dubious' due to this credibility issue. I may be wrong but there are definitely evidence of misinformation https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/risj-review/hong-kongs-apple-daily-local-journalists-perspective-jimmy-lais-youth-reach https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/risj-review/hong-... Sure in a western democracy it's fine (given that there's at least some alignment with party interest). But once it gets a lot of attention and an influencer status then the authoritarian gov won't let it grow further without consequences for sure. 'Redline' is a bad term but it's usually separatist, discrimination speech etc. Not all 'pro-democracy' media are targeted because they are simply not big enough yet. Disclaimer: I'm not necessarily defending any side, just want to discuss more nuances.
- wolverine876 5y ago
  > in a western democracy it's fine (given that there's at least some alignment with party interest) If you mean that in a democracy, publications need "at least some alignment with party interest", that's certainly not the case. However, given the multitude of political interests, the publication is bound to align somewhat with someone. (Also, I disagree with the term "western democracy": Taiwan is Chinese and has a thriving democracy, as did Hong Kong until recently, plus there's Japan, S. Korea, Indonesia, India, Chile, Benin, etc etc. Democracy hasn't been 'western' for generations.) However, I wonder a bit if this thread is becoming overly critical. I am aware that in any dictatorship, they allow some outlets - as long as they don't grow too powerful, as you say.
  - dumb1224 5y ago
    Oh absolutely Sorry for the poor choice of words, I agree with you whole heartily. Again my english is probably too bad to convey the meaning 'any press will align with someone given that there are so many parties and he multitude of political interests'.
    - wolverine876 5y ago
      Sorry, I should be more cognizant that not everyone's English is perfect. Yours is far better than my Cantonese!

Can you define “dubious” and “crossing a redline” (so that they need to be shut) according to HK laws? Without a precise definition we cannot have a fruitful discussion.

dumb1224 5y ago

It is quite obvious they belong to a more sensationalism type of tabloid media. I refer them as 'dubious' due to this credibility issue. I may be wrong but there are definitely evidence of misinformation https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/risj-review/hong-kongs-apple-daily-local-journalists-perspective-jimmy-lais-youth-reach https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/risj-review/hong-... Sure in a western democracy it's fine (given that there's at least some alignment with party interest). But once it gets a lot of attention and an influencer status then the authoritarian gov won't let it grow further without consequences for sure. 'Redline' is a bad term but it's usually separatist, discrimination speech etc. Not all 'pro-democracy' media are targeted because they are simply not big enough yet. Disclaimer: I'm not necessarily defending any side, just want to discuss more nuances.

wolverine876 5y ago
> in a western democracy it's fine (given that there's at least some alignment with party interest) If you mean that in a democracy, publications need "at least some alignment with party interest", that's certainly not the case. However, given the multitude of political interests, the publication is bound to align somewhat with someone. (Also, I disagree with the term "western democracy": Taiwan is Chinese and has a thriving democracy, as did Hong Kong until recently, plus there's Japan, S. Korea, Indonesia, India, Chile, Benin, etc etc. Democracy hasn't been 'western' for generations.) However, I wonder a bit if this thread is becoming overly critical. I am aware that in any dictatorship, they allow some outlets - as long as they don't grow too powerful, as you say.
- dumb1224 5y ago
  Oh absolutely Sorry for the poor choice of words, I agree with you whole heartily. Again my english is probably too bad to convey the meaning 'any press will align with someone given that there are so many parties and he multitude of political interests'.
  - wolverine876 5y ago
    Sorry, I should be more cognizant that not everyone's English is perfect. Yours is far better than my Cantonese!