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> Only privileged person wouldn't value that. Living in California and getting paid a high salary to work with smart people is great, but it’s not the ultimate

> Only privileged person wouldn't value that. Living in California and getting paid a high salary to work with smart people is great, but it’s not the ultimate goal for many people. Calling people who value those things differently than you privileged is unfair. Yes they have it good, and many people would love to be on their shoes, but that doesn’t mean they need to stop advocating for themselves. I’m sure someone would love to trade places with you, and I’m guessing that doesn’t stop you from trying to improve your working conditions.

trutannus 5y ago
> Only privileged person wouldn't value that. This to me is in the same vein as the "it's a privilege to work here" nonsense. I think a lot of FAANG companies and their associated fan clubs don't realize that some people genuinely don't care about working at <insert famous company here> and instead are just happy doing work they like in an environment that makes them happy. To me at least, that's far more important than having "Google Software Engineer 2012-2020" stamped on my Resume.
- bilbo0s 5y ago
  I actually don't like FAANGs since I'm a fairly big privacy advocate. That said, Apple has a point here and you do as well, but these points are easily resolvable. Just don't work at Apple. If you value work from home, then Apple is probably not the place for you. It's well known in this industry that Apple will go to extraordinary lengths to ensure their corporate privacy and secrets. What makes anyone believe that a company like that would allow a person access to those secrets from home? I don't work for Apple, never have, but given what I've heard about them, work from home would be the last benefit I would expect from them.
  - frumper 5y ago
    Your questions don't hold up if you're allowed to have those super duper secrets for 2 days a week at home. It's not like your home office is any less safe on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
    - zsmi 5y ago
      https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-tim-cook-return-office-working-from-home-three-days-2021-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-tim-cook-return-office... "Most employees would be expected to come in on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays, and it would be up to them whether they work from home on Wednesdays and Fridays, Cook said." Most != All My guess is those that require physical access to prototypes get to come in on Wednesday and Friday too.
    - cudgy 5y ago
      Seems like more jib-jabber talking and socializing between departments in an office is actually LESS secure.

trutannus 5y ago

> Only privileged person wouldn't value that. This to me is in the same vein as the "it's a privilege to work here" nonsense. I think a lot of FAANG companies and their associated fan clubs don't realize that some people genuinely don't care about working at <insert famous company here> and instead are just happy doing work they like in an environment that makes them happy. To me at least, that's far more important than having "Google Software Engineer 2012-2020" stamped on my Resume.

bilbo0s 5y ago
I actually don't like FAANGs since I'm a fairly big privacy advocate. That said, Apple has a point here and you do as well, but these points are easily resolvable. Just don't work at Apple. If you value work from home, then Apple is probably not the place for you. It's well known in this industry that Apple will go to extraordinary lengths to ensure their corporate privacy and secrets. What makes anyone believe that a company like that would allow a person access to those secrets from home? I don't work for Apple, never have, but given what I've heard about them, work from home would be the last benefit I would expect from them.
- frumper 5y ago
  Your questions don't hold up if you're allowed to have those super duper secrets for 2 days a week at home. It's not like your home office is any less safe on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
  - zsmi 5y ago
    https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-tim-cook-return-office-working-from-home-three-days-2021-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-tim-cook-return-office... "Most employees would be expected to come in on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays, and it would be up to them whether they work from home on Wednesdays and Fridays, Cook said." Most != All My guess is those that require physical access to prototypes get to come in on Wednesday and Friday too.
  - cudgy 5y ago
    Seems like more jib-jabber talking and socializing between departments in an office is actually LESS secure.