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This also happened to me. Was seeking promotion for the job I was already doing. But university rules required the job be posted for 30 days. So I wrote the job

by yardie 5y ago

This also happened to me. Was seeking promotion for the job I was already doing. But university rules required the job be posted for 30 days. So I wrote the job description and requirements sent it to HR. And submitted my CV, which the job description was based on, into their portal. And was roundly rejected, automatically. My manager spoke with HR to ask what the hell was going on. And found out some politicking was involved and my CV was dumped for a better connected candidate.

vimy 5y ago
Did you get the promotion?
- yardie 5y ago
  Yes. My manager had to intervene. She's the one that told me why I wasn't being forwarded after asking HR.
bluefirebrand 5y ago
This is one of the hardest things for me to grapple with in my career. I hate that there is realistically a hard ceiling to how successful I can be because I don't have strong network effects working for me. I'm from a pretty small town, low income family. Edit/ I also did my Computer Science degree at a small university that was a community college when I started my degree. /Edit. Making my way in the world often feels like being a small fish in a vast ocean. People from wealthier families, or who have built-in connections from growing up in the big cities or going to prestigious universities don't really understand what an advantage their networks are.
- zubiaur 5y ago
  It takes time. Some people have a jumpstart, it is true, but there are ways for us who didn't, to build a network of trust. Be good at what you do, genuinely help people, without expecting or calculating whether it'll be beneficial to you, stay close with those who help you, and who you helped. Eventually, you'll find your way into a good cluster. Some start in the middle of it, we started in the periphery. Accrue good faith and trust and it will only keep growing. It's non linear. Something something preferential attachment.
  - bluefirebrand 5y ago
    Don't get me wrong, I do quite well compared to a lot of people. I'm not unhappy with my career. I am just not great at networking. I have also had bad luck with jobs so far. Everywhere I go, people above me seem more inclined to try and keep me where I am than help me improve and grow. I always have very good relationships with my teammates though, so I know I'm doing something right.
    - zubiaur 5y ago
      I feel ya, people are hard, and bosses really influence how we experiences work. Advocating for oneself IS hard, more so when we are relatively comfortable.
- wins32767 5y ago
  I have some similarities in background as you and I _hated_ networking but I've been very happy with my career trajectory. You need to make sure you filter out highly political jobs during your job searches, do the best work you can, and maintain touch with the good people you've worked with. For the latter I email/text folks I want to work with again every quarter (using a calendar reminder to prompt me) just to keep the connection warm. For the first one, asking questions like "How do key decisions get made at this company?" or "Can you tell me about the last project that didn't go as planned, what happened afterwards?" will give you reasonably strong signal.
  - bluefirebrand 5y ago
    > You need to make sure you filter out highly political jobs during your job searches I think this has been a big source of my grief so far. I keep winding up in heavily political companies. Thank you for the advice. Networking is definitely something I intend to take more seriously. It's become much more clear to me how important it is as my career progresses.
    - throwawayboise 5y ago
      Almost all companies are heavily political. It's inevitable given human nature in hierarchies.
      - User23 5y ago
        Understanding social hierarchy is a skill that can be learned and you can raise your position in that hierarchy using that skill. When people say "I'm not political" they're really just confessing to low social status and acumen. I personally wish things were different, but as you note they're not. So one may as well accept reality and play the game as best as one can. One can have a very successful career as a follower if one recognizes the traits of good leaders and the traits that good leaders are looking for.
        bluefirebrand 5y ago
- mywittyname 5y ago
  Job-hop friend. Job-hop. I was in a similar situation to you and through work I've developed a pretty good network of former colleagues. After about 10 years, it my network ended up stretching so far that I had contacts at basically every major company my city. I mean, very few of my former colleagues ended up in the upper echelons of businesses, but almost all of them are in senior IC roles for which a recommendation carries a lot of weight, especially for an opening on their own team.
dugmartin 5y ago
This happened a lot at the university I went to. Most jobs were civil service and applicants got extra points for veteran status, disability status, etc such that they were always the first in line for a position. To counteract this hiring managers would construct job requirements such as X years of experience in a combination of Y homegrown or highly customized applications and workflows so that basically only one person in the world (the person they wanted to hire) was qualified to fill the position. I'm not sure this was illegal but it seemed very unethical.
randomswede 5y ago
I have been on the other end of that. Applied for a network engineering job at a university, as the role was publicly announced. Ended up having the internal "designated candidate" on my interview panel. Not entirely surprisingly, I did not get the job. I don't think I was supposed to know the name of the internal candidate, but having friends who worked for the uni, I knew the name and, well, the internal candidate would certainly have had a better culture fit.

by yardie 5y ago

vimy 5y ago

Did you get the promotion?

yardie 5y ago
Yes. My manager had to intervene. She's the one that told me why I wasn't being forwarded after asking HR.

bluefirebrand 5y ago

This is one of the hardest things for me to grapple with in my career. I hate that there is realistically a hard ceiling to how successful I can be because I don't have strong network effects working for me. I'm from a pretty small town, low income family. Edit/ I also did my Computer Science degree at a small university that was a community college when I started my degree. /Edit. Making my way in the world often feels like being a small fish in a vast ocean. People from wealthier families, or who have built-in connections from growing up in the big cities or going to prestigious universities don't really understand what an advantage their networks are.

zubiaur 5y ago
It takes time. Some people have a jumpstart, it is true, but there are ways for us who didn't, to build a network of trust. Be good at what you do, genuinely help people, without expecting or calculating whether it'll be beneficial to you, stay close with those who help you, and who you helped. Eventually, you'll find your way into a good cluster. Some start in the middle of it, we started in the periphery. Accrue good faith and trust and it will only keep growing. It's non linear. Something something preferential attachment.
- bluefirebrand 5y ago
  Don't get me wrong, I do quite well compared to a lot of people. I'm not unhappy with my career. I am just not great at networking. I have also had bad luck with jobs so far. Everywhere I go, people above me seem more inclined to try and keep me where I am than help me improve and grow. I always have very good relationships with my teammates though, so I know I'm doing something right.
  - zubiaur 5y ago
    I feel ya, people are hard, and bosses really influence how we experiences work. Advocating for oneself IS hard, more so when we are relatively comfortable.
wins32767 5y ago
I have some similarities in background as you and I _hated_ networking but I've been very happy with my career trajectory. You need to make sure you filter out highly political jobs during your job searches, do the best work you can, and maintain touch with the good people you've worked with. For the latter I email/text folks I want to work with again every quarter (using a calendar reminder to prompt me) just to keep the connection warm. For the first one, asking questions like "How do key decisions get made at this company?" or "Can you tell me about the last project that didn't go as planned, what happened afterwards?" will give you reasonably strong signal.
- bluefirebrand 5y ago
  > You need to make sure you filter out highly political jobs during your job searches I think this has been a big source of my grief so far. I keep winding up in heavily political companies. Thank you for the advice. Networking is definitely something I intend to take more seriously. It's become much more clear to me how important it is as my career progresses.
  - throwawayboise 5y ago
    Almost all companies are heavily political. It's inevitable given human nature in hierarchies.
    - User23 5y ago
      Understanding social hierarchy is a skill that can be learned and you can raise your position in that hierarchy using that skill. When people say "I'm not political" they're really just confessing to low social status and acumen. I personally wish things were different, but as you note they're not. So one may as well accept reality and play the game as best as one can. One can have a very successful career as a follower if one recognizes the traits of good leaders and the traits that good leaders are looking for.
      - bluefirebrand 5y ago
mywittyname 5y ago
Job-hop friend. Job-hop. I was in a similar situation to you and through work I've developed a pretty good network of former colleagues. After about 10 years, it my network ended up stretching so far that I had contacts at basically every major company my city. I mean, very few of my former colleagues ended up in the upper echelons of businesses, but almost all of them are in senior IC roles for which a recommendation carries a lot of weight, especially for an opening on their own team.

dugmartin 5y ago

This happened a lot at the university I went to. Most jobs were civil service and applicants got extra points for veteran status, disability status, etc such that they were always the first in line for a position. To counteract this hiring managers would construct job requirements such as X years of experience in a combination of Y homegrown or highly customized applications and workflows so that basically only one person in the world (the person they wanted to hire) was qualified to fill the position. I'm not sure this was illegal but it seemed very unethical.

randomswede 5y ago

I have been on the other end of that. Applied for a network engineering job at a university, as the role was publicly announced. Ended up having the internal "designated candidate" on my interview panel. Not entirely surprisingly, I did not get the job. I don't think I was supposed to know the name of the internal candidate, but having friends who worked for the uni, I knew the name and, well, the internal candidate would certainly have had a better culture fit.