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My brother has a very senior role (non-IT). Probably in the top 5 in the UK, possibly even top 3, out of perhaps 30-35 jobs? Proven long-term record. He was

My brother has a very senior role (non-IT). Probably in the top 5 in the UK, possibly even top 3, out of perhaps 30-35 jobs? Proven long-term record. He was going to transfer to a different company and was told that company rules meant he had to go through HR "as a formality". He was blocked by his HR interviewer on the grounds that he was too successful and therefore wouldn't be "hungry" enough for such a competitive position. He couldn't believe it. They didn't want someone with a proven record of repeated long-term success? The person who was trying to recruit him was furious, but as my brother said, this was indicative of a wider problem, and so he declined to move there. Instead he won his Industry Award for the following year at the company he did move to....

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javajosh 5y ago
I would interpret that as a face-saving way for the HR person to say: you're too good to work here, and will feel alienated and alone surrounded by comparative mediocrity and incompetence. Then, as a cherry on top, they demonstrated the truth of the implicit assertion. In the end, I'd say that HR person did your brother a solid.
- michaelbuckbee 5y ago
  I'd interpret it differently as well - that the HR person realized that the compensation they could pay would not match what was required and they didn't want to deal with woo'ing the candidate only to offer a lowball offer they would refuse.
- yellowstuff 5y ago
  Based on the story it's also entirely possible that the HR person just disliked the guy for some unrelated reason, or had someone else in mind for the role, and came up a plausible excuse for the rejection.
- watwut 5y ago
  I would interpret it as HR excluding him due to something else, possibly for random reason and then making rationalization/excuse.
- geoduck14 5y ago
  I've interviewed people before and thought "I'm going to reject you, and you should thank me". To be clear, not all of the jobs I've hired for sucked. But there was one project that was designed to chew up your soul (mine included), and we had very specific requirements- and people that had "extra" skills weren't qualified. I learned A LOT from that project.
  - DelightOne 5y ago
    What design can chew up your soul? Never heard that before.
    - pope_meat 5y ago
      I imagine writing software that IDs people so a drone can drop a bomb on their head would make one feel terrible. Or those automated gun turrets?
    - walshemj 5y ago
      Working for doorstep lending or payday loan companies that prey on poor people.
    - geoduck14 5y ago
      I was working for a small department inside of a large company. The large company was migrating databases (it was a 2 year journey), our department was TRYING to get sold. In our area, we had 2 teams racing VERY FAST to 2 different objectives: 1) migrate ALL code and data to the new system (because it needs to be available on the new system) AND 2) archive everything (because we might sell all of our stuff and be unemployeed) It was gut wrenching to look at code that I put my heart and soul into and know it would never run again. Or to look at code with comments like "I just threw this garbage together - it needs to be fixed, circa 5 years ago" and know it would never be fixed.
  - throwaway_egbs 5y ago
    Really wish you'd been on my last hiring panel. (Quit after six months.)
- rvba 5y ago
  Probably thr HR representative wanted to hire their friend or family. Lots of companies dont screen for hiring family members that and dont have any policy against it.
phekunde 5y ago
I had a similar personal experience. I was hired by the technical team at a very big company(after 6 interviews; 3 face-to-face and 3 remote), but the HR was not sure. All my experience before that was working for smaller companies. The argument the HR made was that I will not survive in the big company as most of my experience was with smaller companies. The HR was right. In a year I just could not stand the inefficiency and waste of talent at the company. I moved to another division within the same company. The same story repeated. I left the company after 2 years. Interestingly I was not the only one. This was a major problem at the company. But the company is so big that it does not even care if people leave as there are a lot of engineers knocking at the door every single day to get in!
bombcar 5y ago
"Hungry" sounds like "salary wouldn't match".
walshemj 5y ago
Why did not the recruiting person and their peers not informally / formally complain about HR.

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javajosh 5y ago

I would interpret that as a face-saving way for the HR person to say: you're too good to work here, and will feel alienated and alone surrounded by comparative mediocrity and incompetence. Then, as a cherry on top, they demonstrated the truth of the implicit assertion. In the end, I'd say that HR person did your brother a solid.

michaelbuckbee 5y ago
I'd interpret it differently as well - that the HR person realized that the compensation they could pay would not match what was required and they didn't want to deal with woo'ing the candidate only to offer a lowball offer they would refuse.
yellowstuff 5y ago
Based on the story it's also entirely possible that the HR person just disliked the guy for some unrelated reason, or had someone else in mind for the role, and came up a plausible excuse for the rejection.
watwut 5y ago
I would interpret it as HR excluding him due to something else, possibly for random reason and then making rationalization/excuse.
geoduck14 5y ago
I've interviewed people before and thought "I'm going to reject you, and you should thank me". To be clear, not all of the jobs I've hired for sucked. But there was one project that was designed to chew up your soul (mine included), and we had very specific requirements- and people that had "extra" skills weren't qualified. I learned A LOT from that project.
- DelightOne 5y ago
  What design can chew up your soul? Never heard that before.
  - pope_meat 5y ago
    I imagine writing software that IDs people so a drone can drop a bomb on their head would make one feel terrible. Or those automated gun turrets?
  - walshemj 5y ago
    Working for doorstep lending or payday loan companies that prey on poor people.
  - geoduck14 5y ago
    I was working for a small department inside of a large company. The large company was migrating databases (it was a 2 year journey), our department was TRYING to get sold. In our area, we had 2 teams racing VERY FAST to 2 different objectives: 1) migrate ALL code and data to the new system (because it needs to be available on the new system) AND 2) archive everything (because we might sell all of our stuff and be unemployeed) It was gut wrenching to look at code that I put my heart and soul into and know it would never run again. Or to look at code with comments like "I just threw this garbage together - it needs to be fixed, circa 5 years ago" and know it would never be fixed.
- throwaway_egbs 5y ago
  Really wish you'd been on my last hiring panel. (Quit after six months.)
rvba 5y ago
Probably thr HR representative wanted to hire their friend or family. Lots of companies dont screen for hiring family members that and dont have any policy against it.

phekunde 5y ago

I had a similar personal experience. I was hired by the technical team at a very big company(after 6 interviews; 3 face-to-face and 3 remote), but the HR was not sure. All my experience before that was working for smaller companies. The argument the HR made was that I will not survive in the big company as most of my experience was with smaller companies. The HR was right. In a year I just could not stand the inefficiency and waste of talent at the company. I moved to another division within the same company. The same story repeated. I left the company after 2 years. Interestingly I was not the only one. This was a major problem at the company. But the company is so big that it does not even care if people leave as there are a lot of engineers knocking at the door every single day to get in!

bombcar 5y ago

"Hungry" sounds like "salary wouldn't match".

walshemj 5y ago

Why did not the recruiting person and their peers not informally / formally complain about HR.