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> People tend to overlook the decay of the modern web, when in fact these numbers are extraordinary—they represent a comprehensive breakdown in the chain of cus

> People tend to overlook the decay of the modern web, when in fact these numbers are extraordinary—they represent a comprehensive breakdown in the chain of custody for facts. This is a particularly good quote to sum up the article. The internet is not a repository of facts, it is a repository of facts, spam, junk, and things. Moreover, it is not the only repository of these. Link rot happens. Content is subject to the will of the publisher to spend the time and/or money to continue to host it. Depending on links to work eternally is a mistake. The problem is not the link rot, it is the bad assumption.

PaulHoule 5y ago
It's depressing. I know somebody who started a business that was successful for a while and then failed. Spammers got control of the domain and now it is full of ads for a dangerous diet drug. What makes my blood boil is that it impugns the integrity of the founder who is a decent person who has nothing to do with that scam.
- JKCalhoun 5y ago
  Domains, if not outright sold by the owner, should die then.
  - Wowfunhappy 5y ago
    And never be possible to register ever again? I feel like most easy-to-type domains would have been permanently expended in the early days of the web.
    - PaulHoule 5y ago
      You wish there was some way you could make the links go away...
  - junon 5y ago
    Or ICANN can create policies about domain squatting like GP described.
    - PaulHoule 5y ago
      Or the FDA could put alternative-health scammers in jail. Back in the 1950s they put Wilhem Reich in jail, where he died. L. Ron Hubbard got the hint and left the country and when no country was safe he went to sea. Today people like Dr. Oz run alt-health scams continuously and nobody seems to go to jail or even get a fine.
      - junon 5y ago
        FDA is American, ICANN operates worldwide
- jl6 5y ago
  Nodes in keywordspace don’t die with the businesses that created them. The popularity of domains and links and words and phrases are permanently altered by the existence of the business. It’s a digital footprint like how a real-world business leaves a physical footprint. Some footprints are harmless - just a memory of activity that once happened. Other footprints cause lasting harm, like contaminated soil. Abandoned formerly-popular domains create a kind of long-tail info-environmental impact, just like an abandoned warehouse can become a real-world hazard. Maybe we need a digital superfund process.
- stickfigure 5y ago
  This actually happened to me: https://www.voo.st/ https://www.voo.st/ We shut down the business an abandoned the domain. Someone registered the domain, created a similar-looking website by hand (recycling a lot of the text and images), and added spam. It even has my old company address. This is a .st domain, about $35/yr. The web design work cost something too. More than I would have expected the link juice from a single website to be worth. What we really need is some sort of DNS record or meta content we can add that tells search engines "this domain is being abandoned, destroy all link juice".
  - PaulHoule 5y ago
    The traffic you get from people following links is measurable (and real!) The traffic you get from "link juice" is imagined. The original PageRank paper assumed that PageRank approximated the distribution of views on web pages assuming that people followed links at random. If Google wanted to know what people are viewing today, they don't need to collect a link graph and do matrix math. They can measure it directly with Chrome, Google Analytics and data exhaust from the advertising platform.
tenebrisalietum 5y ago
This is why when I see something I like on a website, I might bookmark it, but I'm also saving it locally.
ergot_vacation 5y ago
Exactly. The Atlantic author seems to be laboring under the misguided assumption that the web is somehow the same sort of thing as a library of books. Even libraries often have some degree of garbage information in them, and represent a survival story: the vast majority of books ever written are no longer in print, or even discoverable anywhere. Good stuff should be preserved, but it's not the Internet's job to somehow magically do it. It's OUR job, and the nature of digital information (DRM not withstanding) makes this easier than ever.
- pfraze 5y ago
  Somehow I'm replying to you twice, but this time I agree and wanted to note that libraries are curated spaces as well.

PaulHoule 5y ago

It's depressing. I know somebody who started a business that was successful for a while and then failed. Spammers got control of the domain and now it is full of ads for a dangerous diet drug. What makes my blood boil is that it impugns the integrity of the founder who is a decent person who has nothing to do with that scam.

JKCalhoun 5y ago
Domains, if not outright sold by the owner, should die then.
- Wowfunhappy 5y ago
  And never be possible to register ever again? I feel like most easy-to-type domains would have been permanently expended in the early days of the web.
  - PaulHoule 5y ago
    You wish there was some way you could make the links go away...
- junon 5y ago
  Or ICANN can create policies about domain squatting like GP described.
  - PaulHoule 5y ago
    Or the FDA could put alternative-health scammers in jail. Back in the 1950s they put Wilhem Reich in jail, where he died. L. Ron Hubbard got the hint and left the country and when no country was safe he went to sea. Today people like Dr. Oz run alt-health scams continuously and nobody seems to go to jail or even get a fine.
    - junon 5y ago
      FDA is American, ICANN operates worldwide
jl6 5y ago
Nodes in keywordspace don’t die with the businesses that created them. The popularity of domains and links and words and phrases are permanently altered by the existence of the business. It’s a digital footprint like how a real-world business leaves a physical footprint. Some footprints are harmless - just a memory of activity that once happened. Other footprints cause lasting harm, like contaminated soil. Abandoned formerly-popular domains create a kind of long-tail info-environmental impact, just like an abandoned warehouse can become a real-world hazard. Maybe we need a digital superfund process.
stickfigure 5y ago
This actually happened to me: https://www.voo.st/ https://www.voo.st/ We shut down the business an abandoned the domain. Someone registered the domain, created a similar-looking website by hand (recycling a lot of the text and images), and added spam. It even has my old company address. This is a .st domain, about $35/yr. The web design work cost something too. More than I would have expected the link juice from a single website to be worth. What we really need is some sort of DNS record or meta content we can add that tells search engines "this domain is being abandoned, destroy all link juice".
- PaulHoule 5y ago
  The traffic you get from people following links is measurable (and real!) The traffic you get from "link juice" is imagined. The original PageRank paper assumed that PageRank approximated the distribution of views on web pages assuming that people followed links at random. If Google wanted to know what people are viewing today, they don't need to collect a link graph and do matrix math. They can measure it directly with Chrome, Google Analytics and data exhaust from the advertising platform.

tenebrisalietum 5y ago

This is why when I see something I like on a website, I might bookmark it, but I'm also saving it locally.

ergot_vacation 5y ago

Exactly. The Atlantic author seems to be laboring under the misguided assumption that the web is somehow the same sort of thing as a library of books. Even libraries often have some degree of garbage information in them, and represent a survival story: the vast majority of books ever written are no longer in print, or even discoverable anywhere. Good stuff should be preserved, but it's not the Internet's job to somehow magically do it. It's OUR job, and the nature of digital information (DRM not withstanding) makes this easier than ever.

pfraze 5y ago
Somehow I'm replying to you twice, but this time I agree and wanted to note that libraries are curated spaces as well.