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Because framing collective action problems caused by a very small powerful minority of people as mass moral issues is how we all fucking die. In fact, you have

Because framing collective action problems caused by a very small powerful minority of people as mass moral issues is how we all fucking die. In fact, you have a moral imperative to stop doing this, since you are covering for the actual actors with bad morality by misrepresenting where the moral failing lies.

Tijdreiziger 5y ago
> you are covering for the actual actors with bad morality by misrepresenting where the moral failing lies Corporations have no moral values, only a profit motive. The only way to improve them is through legislation. Legislation is written by politicians, who are elected by individuals*. Therefore, individual awareness is in fact _the only way we have*_ to lower CO2 emissions. * in functioning democracies
- freshhawk 5y ago
  "* in functioning democracies" Who cares about this theoretical BS though? It's useless. The model isn't predictive. Those are spherical cows. At this point we know the areas where public support is most detached from policy and it always corresponds to wealth. So just start using the adult model of the world already.
  - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
    OK, wait. You said that individual action making a difference was a fairy tale. Now you're saying that democratic action is useless because it runs counter to the interests of the rich. So... what do you think is a useful, workable approach?
  - Tijdreiziger 5y ago
    Functioning democracies are theoretical? 10% of MEPs (Members of European Parliament) are already Greens. 9% of the Dutch parliament is [GreenLeft + Party for the Animals], and that's not even counting the Labour party (who have similar policies). 9% of the German Bundestag is Greens. Are all those representatives spherical cows? Were they all voted in by the wealthy? Sure, 10% of legislators isn't huge in the grand scheme of things. But again, _the only way_ to increase that percentage is for the people to go out and vote, and that road starts with awareness.

Tijdreiziger 5y ago

> you are covering for the actual actors with bad morality by misrepresenting where the moral failing lies Corporations have no moral values, only a profit motive. The only way to improve them is through legislation. Legislation is written by politicians, who are elected by individuals*. Therefore, individual awareness is in fact _the only way we have*_ to lower CO2 emissions. * in functioning democracies

freshhawk 5y ago
"* in functioning democracies" Who cares about this theoretical BS though? It's useless. The model isn't predictive. Those are spherical cows. At this point we know the areas where public support is most detached from policy and it always corresponds to wealth. So just start using the adult model of the world already.
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  OK, wait. You said that individual action making a difference was a fairy tale. Now you're saying that democratic action is useless because it runs counter to the interests of the rich. So... what do you think is a useful, workable approach?
- Tijdreiziger 5y ago
  Functioning democracies are theoretical? 10% of MEPs (Members of European Parliament) are already Greens. 9% of the Dutch parliament is [GreenLeft + Party for the Animals], and that's not even counting the Labour party (who have similar policies). 9% of the German Bundestag is Greens. Are all those representatives spherical cows? Were they all voted in by the wealthy? Sure, 10% of legislators isn't huge in the grand scheme of things. But again, _the only way_ to increase that percentage is for the people to go out and vote, and that road starts with awareness.