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True. B&H is sort of unusual in this regards, but from what I hear their employees are treated well, and the lack of tax is well worth it!

cfqycwz 5y ago
Fwiw there has been some history of B&H workers being treated fairly not-well. I encourage reading past the first few paragraphs of this article as it's not all "union stuff"--there are lawsuits, DOL complaints, and OSHA fines as well: https://gothamist.com/news/bh-photo-workers-strike-on-may-day-to-protest-their-jobs-moving-to-new-jersey https://gothamist.com/news/bh-photo-workers-strike-on-may-da...
- xvector 5y ago
  Interesting, thank you!
- ixtli 5y ago
  Thank you for pointing this out. I live in the area and showed up for the pickets when they fired all of their warehouse employees for complaining about unsafe working conditions. If possible use Adorama or some competitor.
spoonjim 5y ago
Note that B&H has been sued for discriminating against its non-Jewish employees: https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/new-lawsuit-claims-b-and-h-discriminates-against-non-jewish-employees-571983/amp https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/new-lawsuit-claims-b-and-h-disc...
- xvector 5y ago
  That's horrible. Thanks for letting me know!
  - vtail 5y ago
    Could you please clarify what do you think is horrible? Anyone can sue anyone in the US, for any reason, and allege a lot of bad things. It also true that cost of litigation is often much, much higher than a settlement - e.g. the 3 employee suing asked for $200k in damages, which I assume is just an opening offer. A reasonable lawyer can easily cost upwards of $500/hr, and require many, many hours of work even if the process never gets to the court. My close friend is been sued for ridiculous reasons by ex-partners. It already costed him $750k in legal fees,and although he is very likely to win the case, it’s expected to take another 2 years before the case is resolved, at which point he will be allowed to file for recovering his costs (easily anothe couple of years).
    - Rantenki 5y ago
      It's not a mere allegation, they lost a similar suit about hispanic employees, and had a HUGE settlement ruling against them: https://www.eeoc.gov/newsroom/eeoc-and-b-h-reach-43-million-settlement-national-origin-discrimination-case https://www.eeoc.gov/newsroom/eeoc-and-b-h-reach-43-million-... They've been proven to discriminate, in a court of law. I'd give this new lawsuit the benefit of the doubt.
      - vtail 5y ago
        Thank you, this is important context I was not aware of, although to be fair, these events happened 10 years prior to the new case.
    - DetroitThrow 5y ago
      >Could you please clarify what do you think is horrible [about an employee discrimination lawsuit]? I wonder why so many forum users frame statements they want to make as questions which challenge innocent comments.
      - gilrain 5y ago
        There is a term for it: JAQing off. Just Asking Questions. It's used to put forward a distasteful argument without actually standing behind it. As in, "Why are you getting heated? I'm not condoning [whatever], I'm just asking questions."

cfqycwz 5y ago

Fwiw there has been some history of B&H workers being treated fairly not-well. I encourage reading past the first few paragraphs of this article as it's not all "union stuff"--there are lawsuits, DOL complaints, and OSHA fines as well: https://gothamist.com/news/bh-photo-workers-strike-on-may-day-to-protest-their-jobs-moving-to-new-jersey https://gothamist.com/news/bh-photo-workers-strike-on-may-da...

xvector 5y ago
Interesting, thank you!
ixtli 5y ago
Thank you for pointing this out. I live in the area and showed up for the pickets when they fired all of their warehouse employees for complaining about unsafe working conditions. If possible use Adorama or some competitor.

spoonjim 5y ago

Note that B&H has been sued for discriminating against its non-Jewish employees: https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/new-lawsuit-claims-b-and-h-discriminates-against-non-jewish-employees-571983/amp https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/new-lawsuit-claims-b-and-h-disc...

xvector 5y ago
That's horrible. Thanks for letting me know!
- vtail 5y ago
  Could you please clarify what do you think is horrible? Anyone can sue anyone in the US, for any reason, and allege a lot of bad things. It also true that cost of litigation is often much, much higher than a settlement - e.g. the 3 employee suing asked for $200k in damages, which I assume is just an opening offer. A reasonable lawyer can easily cost upwards of $500/hr, and require many, many hours of work even if the process never gets to the court. My close friend is been sued for ridiculous reasons by ex-partners. It already costed him $750k in legal fees,and although he is very likely to win the case, it’s expected to take another 2 years before the case is resolved, at which point he will be allowed to file for recovering his costs (easily anothe couple of years).
  - Rantenki 5y ago
    It's not a mere allegation, they lost a similar suit about hispanic employees, and had a HUGE settlement ruling against them: https://www.eeoc.gov/newsroom/eeoc-and-b-h-reach-43-million-settlement-national-origin-discrimination-case https://www.eeoc.gov/newsroom/eeoc-and-b-h-reach-43-million-... They've been proven to discriminate, in a court of law. I'd give this new lawsuit the benefit of the doubt.
    - vtail 5y ago
      Thank you, this is important context I was not aware of, although to be fair, these events happened 10 years prior to the new case.
  - DetroitThrow 5y ago
    >Could you please clarify what do you think is horrible [about an employee discrimination lawsuit]? I wonder why so many forum users frame statements they want to make as questions which challenge innocent comments.
    - gilrain 5y ago
      There is a term for it: JAQing off. Just Asking Questions. It's used to put forward a distasteful argument without actually standing behind it. As in, "Why are you getting heated? I'm not condoning [whatever], I'm just asking questions."