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In the same way a lot of products have become cheaper because of some process optimization (packaged more compactly to reduce transportation costs), I'm excited

by pen2l 5y ago

In the same way a lot of products have become cheaper because of some process optimization (packaged more compactly to reduce transportation costs), I'm excited to see modular homes/home 3d-printing etc. play out and become cheaper over time until they are more affordable than convention home construction or somehow unique and better in ways that conventionally constructed homes cannot be. To answer your question, one possible target customer is the rich (wo)man who wants a cabin house far away but something more comfortable than a cabin house.

runawaybottle 5y ago
Maybe people in hurricane and flood zones? If you insist on living there, might as well live in a disposable house (Possibly want to get the price lower than 50k). Small aside, I just looked up what houses look like in other parts of the world. Very few look like houses found in the US.
brudgers 5y ago
If you are rich, there are a lot of options that are likely to better cater to your richness. Or why build a 50k shed on a million dollar piece of ground?
- tim333 5y ago
  In Elon's case so you can have a few hundred on the not very expensive land at Starbase Texas.
  - brudgers 5y ago
    As always, the premise is “you should” not “I should.”
- j45 5y ago
  Savings of time to build and use, can be removed as easily as it’s deployed.
  - brudgers 5y ago
    $50k will buy a reasonably nice RV that includes wheels and a hitch and such options abound.
    - EricE 5y ago
      RV's have a ton of compromises to make them light that do not restrict this solution. There is simply no comparison. Buying an RV to park it permanently would be daft.
    - j45 5y ago
      RVs have much higher maintenance. Maybe Tiny homes would be an alternative.
robotresearcher 5y ago
> (wo)man 'Person' is the non-gendered word that goes here.
- wombatpm 5y ago
  But with ‘son’ in the word doesn’t it’s usage continue to promote the patriarchy?
  - dkdbejwi383 5y ago
    No, “Son” as in “male child” is derived from Porto-Germanic “Sunnus”, “person” as in “human being” is derived from Latin “persona”. It’s just a coincidence that in modern English we write them with the same characters.
    - spijdar 5y ago
      There are some (fringe?) groups who'd argue against this, evidenced by variant spellings like "womxn" and "womyn" that are attested since the 70s, in order to remove "man" from the words. Different in that "woman" is etymologically an extension of the word "man", but somewhat absurd because the etymological root was gender neutral, with a separate word attested for "masculine" man. Point being, perception of a word can be more meaningful to some people than the historical meaning. Good 'ole prescriptive vs descriptive linguistics...
      - teekert 5y ago
        I guess you can find fringe groups against anything ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
      - dkdbejwi383 5y ago
        This kind of thinking, linguistic relativity - that the words available to you shape your worldview - is not really held in high regard as I understand it. At least not in the hard sense, where one is completely unable to conceptualise something because they don't have the words to express it. For example, some have claimed that if we had no separate terms for "man and woman", "male and female", etc, we'd be unable to perceive a difference between the two. > the etymological root was gender neutral, with a separate word attested for "masculine" man For anyone playing at home, this is "were" or "wer". The phrase "man and woman" would once have been something like "were and wif", which is where the "were-" in "werewolf" comes from, and is the ancestor of "wife". If we want English to be more gender-neutral, we could revert to werman, wifman and man.
akomtu 5y ago
That's a contrived example. I assume someone rich would hire a construction firm to make a fancy treehouse. The target audience for these are squeezed between owners of trailer parks and cheap shacks.
shalmanese 5y ago
The substack Construction Physics has an excellent overview of the now 100 year failed promise of modular building and the eternal cycles of the exact same value props being pitched in ambitious efforts to reform construction and why conventional construction has refused to be disrupted. Some great posts are: https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/building-components-and-the-past https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/building-componen... https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/operation-breakthrough-americas-failed https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/operation-breakth... https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/construction-efficiency-and-production https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/construction-effi... https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/book-review-industrialized-building https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/book-review-indus... https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/industrialized-building-part-2 https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/industrialized-bu... Despite this, he's cautiously excited about some of the potential future industrialized systems such as Foldable Buildings https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/folding-at-home https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/folding-at-home 3D printing https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/3d-printed-buildings https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/3d-printed-buildi... Plywood Systems https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/facit-homes-wikihouse-and-the-plywood https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/facit-homes-wikih... And Broad Homes https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/broad-group-part-ii https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/broad-group-part-...
- blueblisters 5y ago
  Thanks for sharing these links! I was looking for an analysis of B-Core from Broad and I finally found one. Although I don't quite understand why they initially excited about B-Core but later call it poorly thought out. Is it because of the cost of stainless steel?
- EricE 5y ago
  In what you linked first, his criticisms are (rightly) directed towards pre-fabed concrete. That's not this system. This is a folded system - exactly what you indicate he's cautiously excited about. As am I. Let me link together two or three of those modules - say a living room/kitchen/laundry and two bedroom/bathroom modules. Would be perfect!

by pen2l 5y ago

runawaybottle 5y ago

Maybe people in hurricane and flood zones? If you insist on living there, might as well live in a disposable house (Possibly want to get the price lower than 50k). Small aside, I just looked up what houses look like in other parts of the world. Very few look like houses found in the US.

brudgers 5y ago

If you are rich, there are a lot of options that are likely to better cater to your richness. Or why build a 50k shed on a million dollar piece of ground?

tim333 5y ago
In Elon's case so you can have a few hundred on the not very expensive land at Starbase Texas.
- brudgers 5y ago
  As always, the premise is “you should” not “I should.”
j45 5y ago
Savings of time to build and use, can be removed as easily as it’s deployed.
- brudgers 5y ago
  $50k will buy a reasonably nice RV that includes wheels and a hitch and such options abound.
  - EricE 5y ago
    RV's have a ton of compromises to make them light that do not restrict this solution. There is simply no comparison. Buying an RV to park it permanently would be daft.
  - j45 5y ago
    RVs have much higher maintenance. Maybe Tiny homes would be an alternative.

robotresearcher 5y ago

> (wo)man 'Person' is the non-gendered word that goes here.

wombatpm 5y ago
But with ‘son’ in the word doesn’t it’s usage continue to promote the patriarchy?
- dkdbejwi383 5y ago
  No, “Son” as in “male child” is derived from Porto-Germanic “Sunnus”, “person” as in “human being” is derived from Latin “persona”. It’s just a coincidence that in modern English we write them with the same characters.
  - spijdar 5y ago
    There are some (fringe?) groups who'd argue against this, evidenced by variant spellings like "womxn" and "womyn" that are attested since the 70s, in order to remove "man" from the words. Different in that "woman" is etymologically an extension of the word "man", but somewhat absurd because the etymological root was gender neutral, with a separate word attested for "masculine" man. Point being, perception of a word can be more meaningful to some people than the historical meaning. Good 'ole prescriptive vs descriptive linguistics...
    - teekert 5y ago
      I guess you can find fringe groups against anything ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    - dkdbejwi383 5y ago
      This kind of thinking, linguistic relativity - that the words available to you shape your worldview - is not really held in high regard as I understand it. At least not in the hard sense, where one is completely unable to conceptualise something because they don't have the words to express it. For example, some have claimed that if we had no separate terms for "man and woman", "male and female", etc, we'd be unable to perceive a difference between the two. > the etymological root was gender neutral, with a separate word attested for "masculine" man For anyone playing at home, this is "were" or "wer". The phrase "man and woman" would once have been something like "were and wif", which is where the "were-" in "werewolf" comes from, and is the ancestor of "wife". If we want English to be more gender-neutral, we could revert to werman, wifman and man.

akomtu 5y ago

That's a contrived example. I assume someone rich would hire a construction firm to make a fancy treehouse. The target audience for these are squeezed between owners of trailer parks and cheap shacks.

shalmanese 5y ago

The substack Construction Physics has an excellent overview of the now 100 year failed promise of modular building and the eternal cycles of the exact same value props being pitched in ambitious efforts to reform construction and why conventional construction has refused to be disrupted. Some great posts are: https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/building-components-and-the-past https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/building-componen... https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/operation-breakthrough-americas-failed https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/operation-breakth... https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/construction-efficiency-and-production https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/construction-effi... https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/book-review-industrialized-building https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/book-review-indus... https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/industrialized-building-part-2 https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/industrialized-bu... Despite this, he's cautiously excited about some of the potential future industrialized systems such as Foldable Buildings https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/folding-at-home https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/folding-at-home 3D printing https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/3d-printed-buildings https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/3d-printed-buildi... Plywood Systems https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/facit-homes-wikihouse-and-the-plywood https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/facit-homes-wikih... And Broad Homes https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/broad-group-part-ii https://constructionphysics.substack.com/p/broad-group-part-...

blueblisters 5y ago
Thanks for sharing these links! I was looking for an analysis of B-Core from Broad and I finally found one. Although I don't quite understand why they initially excited about B-Core but later call it poorly thought out. Is it because of the cost of stainless steel?
EricE 5y ago
In what you linked first, his criticisms are (rightly) directed towards pre-fabed concrete. That's not this system. This is a folded system - exactly what you indicate he's cautiously excited about. As am I. Let me link together two or three of those modules - say a living room/kitchen/laundry and two bedroom/bathroom modules. Would be perfect!