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> It took years — eight years and counting in exile — for me to realize that I was missing the point: we talk about conspiracy theories in order to avoid talkin
by wisty 5y ago
> It took years — eight years and counting in exile — for me to realize that I was missing the point: we talk about conspiracy theories in order to avoid talking about conspiracy practices, which are often too daunting, too threatening, too total.
I disagree. People (at least, some people) are just naturally drawn to mysteries. Imaginary things aren't interesting despite the lack of evidence for them, they're interesting because of the lack of evidence. Everyone likes a good mystery.
Look at bigfoot. It's pretty much described as a great ape. It's described as being large, and being a little more bipedal than most apes, but there's no more interesting than a gorilla. I suppose it's a little interesting that an old world ape found its way to America (perhaps a descendent of the Yeti that travelled across through the arctic?), but there's similar interest in mysterious apes in most of the world.
Somehow, a lot of people are more interested in imaginary apes than real apes. Here's a quote about Bigfoot I found on Wikipedia:
> "Well now you will be amazed when I tell you that I'm sure that they exist."[162] She later added, chuckling, "Well, I'm a romantic, so I always wanted them to exist", and finally, "You know, why isn't there a body? I can't answer that, and maybe they don't exist, but I want them to."[163] In 2012, when asked again by the Huffington Post, Goodall said "I'm fascinated and would actually love them to exist," adding, "Of course, it's strange that there has never been a single authentic hide or hair of the Bigfoot, but I've read all the accounts."[164]
This is Jane Goodall, who is probably the best known primatologist of all time, not some conspiracy theorist. If Jane Goodall can be impressed by an ape simply because it's so mysterious (because it doesn't exist), this says a lot about the allure of a mystery.
But back to the main point - why is it that open conspiracies are less scary? I think it's fairly rational to be less worried at a visible threat, since a lack of widespread opposition shows that it's not taken to be a serious threat by the rest of the population. If the President announces that electronic communications are routinely being monitored, then that seems pretty safe. There's no serious opposition to it, so people must not care too much, so it's reasonable to assume it's not a great danger. On the other hand, if there was only a conspiracy theory, then you could assume that the lack of serious opposition was due to a lack of knowledge of the conspiracy.
If (picking something outlandish) Bill Gates announced that he was implanting everyone with micro-chips to extend 5G networks and help the police track criminals, a lot of people would grumble, but I doubt there would be a serious opposition to it, and people would feel reassured that this means it's not a serious issue.
How serious is mass surveillance, really? I certainly understand some people strongly objecting, but it's not like I do much more than use a VPN (which might be compromised anyway).
- seppin 5y ago"The audience knows the truth. The world is simple. It's miserable. Solid... solid all the way through. But if you could fool them, even for a second... then you can make them wonder. And then you... then you got to see something very special."
- ArnoVW 5y agoTo respond to your last question: I think the issue is that it puts a lot of power in the hands of whomever is controlling then surveillance system. This can be bad because of rogue operators (creep spying on women, blackmail, spionage to get info for insider trading, data leaks, etc etc) But even if you have some 'perfect system to prevent unauthorized use', and a 'perfect system to determine authorisation' (both of which are highly theoretical) the issue remains. For you may agree with whomever controls the surveillance system currently ('the state'), but that may change. If Donald Trump had won a second term, or successfuly stolen it, and the US was more and more transformed.. would you still be OK with the state having that capability? Same argument but in reverse with Sanders if you're a republican. To give a concrete historical example: during the 1930's there was a census in the Netherlands. All the law abiding citizens gently filled in a form, stating the religion of their family. After all, no harm for the government to know all that, right? Unfortunately 10 years later that government was controlled by Nazi Germany. And they knew exactly where to find the jews. Result: 95% of Dutch Jewish citizens died during WW II. For reference, in France, where even today the state has a less detailed and precise administration, this number is 25%.
- dempsey 5y agoConspiracy theories are a placebo effect for control. I can't control the world but I can control what I want to believe about the world and that helps me feel like I'm in control.